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Old 6th Sep 2022, 07:35
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It’s worth noting that Four Corners did not contact the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regarding any claims made in the program. CASA has since reiterated that it has confidence that Qantas is operating safely.
Why would 4 Corners contact CASA? they are a current affairs program voicing the concerns of a group of employees. It's the employees concerned that should be contacting CASA, but then again, I've seen how CASA can handle such complaints by telling said individuals to go through the internal SMS, and then sending an email of that to the QF HR manager identifying the naughty child who complained.

The general message is that currently critical workers are at their wits end/limits and the safety issue is somebody is going to make mistakes, that another tired and stretch worker will not catch and so on. They are not saying that there is particularly one thing that is dangerous. Then there's the blatant lie where they said they were using disinfectants and cleaners and not, and then got caught out because worksafe had fined them, for not using cleaners and disinfectants. That then leads to ask what other BS is floating around being denied by management.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 08:58
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Why does Alan have the slicked back hairstyle these days? Is it due to balding? He looks like a pint size mafia hit man who should be carrying a violin case with a machine gun inside it. A massive 8 pound head on top of two tiny shoulders. He gives me the creeps. And as for his apology spiel that he recorded, that was one of the most insincere, unemotional, cue card delivered pieces of utter crap that I have seen in years. Hope he never takes up acting as a career. Just plain woeful.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 09:29
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Why does Alan have the slicked back hairstyle these days? Is it due to balding? He looks like a pint size mafia hit man who should be carrying a violin case with a machine gun inside it. A massive 8 pound head on top of two tiny shoulders. He gives me the creeps. And as for his apology spiel that he recorded, that was one of the most insincere, unemotional, cue card delivered pieces of utter crap that I have seen in years. Hope he never takes up acting as a career. Just plain woeful.
He has a handshake that makes you want to wash and disinfect your hands afterwards. Only met him the once and wiped my hand down my trouser leg after escaping his limp grip.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 09:31
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I think the comparing the national airline with Speedos, biscuits or Ansett is a bit far fetched,
It was about brand recognition and who mentioned Ansett?
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 09:50
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He has a handshake that makes you want to wash and disinfect your hands afterwards. Only met him the once and wiped my hand down my trouser leg after escaping his limp grip.
I feel sorry for you. That would have been a horrific experience, one that may haunt you for life. People like him are weak and soft, they hide behind their office doors and in heavily secured homes. He hired extra personal security after the 2011 grounding. Pathetic.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 10:27
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And how unbelievable a career guys who joined in the early 80's had. Did I hear correctly that one of them was a 747 Captain in his 30s??

That aside I though the pilots all spoke well and weren't to sensationalist.

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Old 6th Sep 2022, 11:40
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Absolute malarkey, the check and trainer said he'd been a pilot for 37 years, 34 of those with Qantas or some non sense, after 3 years of flying for me I was only on a 402.

How times have changed.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 11:44
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat View Post
He has a handshake that makes you want to wash and disinfect your hands afterwards. Only met him the once and wiped my hand down my trouser leg after escaping his limp grip.
I’ve had the misfortune of experiencing that as well when he came into our office one day when I was on shift. Ewwww.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 13:14
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Originally Posted by non_state_actor View Post
And how unbelievable a career guys who joined in the early 80's had. Did I hear correctly that one of them was a 747 Captain in his 30s??

That aside I though the pilots all spoke well and weren't to sensationalist.
You do realise it is quite easy to achieve this today. 3 years in GA. A year or 2 in a US Regional then apply for Atlas. You wouldn’t even need to sit in the back seat like you would at QF.
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You blokes are missing al the relevant points - Talking about AJ's hairstyle, and of former pilots career progression 30+ years ago is a complete waste of time.
I do not work for Qantas nor ever have, but I find it appalling that you can have 4 different wage structures/contracts for cabin crew on the one aircraft type. When Steve Long brought that up to Joyce, he merely equivocated that with a dash 8 pilot and and a380 pilot being on different wages. Talk about apples and oranges.

The threatening emails from management to staff reminded me of my time in EK.

QF, like EK, culled too many crew during CV, and now rue that decision.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
You blokes are missing al the relevant points - Talking about AJ's hairstyle, and of former pilots career progression 30+ years ago is a complete waste of time.
I do not work for Qantas nor ever have, but I find it appalling that you can have 4 different wage structures/contracts for cabin crew on the one aircraft type. When Steve Long brought that up to Joyce, he merely equivocated that with a dash 8 pilot and and a380 pilot being on different wages. Talk about apples and oranges.

The threatening emails from management to staff reminded me of my time in EK.

QF, like EK, culled too many crew during CV, and now rue that decision.
Fly Perth to Broome on Friday morning your 320 Capt in a Qantas uniform will be paid $180K per year. Fly on the afternoon flight on a 737 and your Capt in a QF uniform will be paid $280K per year.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
..he merely equivocated that with a dash 8 pilot and and a380 pilot being on different wages...
Wonder how that'll fare when JQ and QF are flying the same aircraft type with similar or very close upgrade times for new joiners..
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 14:50
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Simple answer for Alan if he’s so confident with the safety of his outsourced operation would be to make himself criminally liable for anything that goes wrong. If the operation is so safe he shouldn’t have an issue with that surely.
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Fly Perth to Broome on Friday morning your 320 Capt in a Qantas uniform will be paid $180K per year. Fly on the afternoon flight on a 737 and your Capt in a QF uniform will be paid $280K per year.
I don't think a 737 captain makes that little at QF.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
I do not work for Qantas nor ever have, but I find it appalling that you can have 4 different wage structures/contracts for cabin crew on the one aircraft type.
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They didn't mention that those cabin crew all have different flight and duty requirements and different rest requirements on their individual contracts. Pretty sure the poor CSM's need to be aware of everyone's limits and requirements when managing a multi-cross-crewed flight.
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Here it is if anyone missed it last night.

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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Fly Perth to Broome on Friday morning your 320 Capt in a Qantas uniform will be paid $180K per year. Fly on the afternoon flight on a 737 and your Capt in a QF uniform will be paid $280K per year.
By eloquently lecturing the journo that a Dash 8 pilot should not earn the same as an A380 pilot, AJ effectively and inadvertently implied that an A380 pilot should earn the same as an A380 pilot - you can't have it both ways. Here's waiting to see when the Network, Express Freighters and Jetstar A320 pilots receive their increase to QF levels **cough**...also not to forget the Jetstar 787 pilots
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The "West Island" is sarcasm, buddy. Sounds like you haven't spent much time in Australia.
My comment was a generalisation towards paragraphs generalisation of grubby tenants. And I am a pilot, but I have also worked in two other industries filled with kiwis, as every industry in Australia is full of kiwis. Most of them are good, but there is also a common theme among them, especially the macho meathead ones. Always telling everyone how much better "back home is", well then why are you here then? Maybe people could afford to buy homes in NZ, if it were not for every second kiwi working back in Australia to pay for a home in NZ! So if you can generalise renters as grubs, I can generalise paragraph as a grub. but also paragraph, don't worry mate when you vote your beloved communist dictator Ardern in for another term, you will probably have to rent your home back off the government. At least then you will join the rest of us grubs.
You need to stop drinking and typing mate, you’re embarrassing yourself.
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Why does Alan have the slicked back hairstyle these days? Is it due to balding? He looks like a pint size mafia hit man who should be carrying a violin case with a machine gun inside it. A massive 8 pound head on top of two tiny shoulders. He gives me the creeps. And as for his apology spiel that he recorded, that was one of the most insincere, unemotional, cue card delivered pieces of utter crap that I have seen in years. Hope he never takes up acting as a career. Just plain woeful.
They will get Joe Pesci Good Fellas era to play him 😂
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I’ve had the misfortune of experiencing that as well when he came into our office one day when I was on shift. Ewwww.
I always made sure to never let him or any of his sidekicks get close enough to be able to shake my hand.
The thought of him referring to his employees as 'our people' made me want to throw up.
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