Qantas CEO Blames passengers for delays
And let us not forget who was the champion of the LCC cancer in the early days. The guy who, himself helped to drive ticket prices down so low that it didn’t even cover the cost of the landing fees. It’s the dumbest of the own goals I can think of.
Haven't we all seen this situation before on 'Yes Minister', health minister was asked how the new hospital was going, answer was ' very well sir', ok, how many patients do they have now, er, none sir, that would just foul things up and reduce their efficient operation.
Customer Service at Qantas. presumably SOP
Here is a recent example of a recent Qantas stuff up. A friend visits us in Sydney. She is due to fly out Friday 15th to LAX on QF11. She arrives at Terminal 1 three hours+ before the ETD and unfortunately tests positive to RAT, then has a PCR test (positive) but by now has missed her flight. She goes into self-quarantine- no symptoms. The following week she has a 3-hour wait on the phone to rebook and it costs an extra $3000. She sees a local medic and gets the required letter of clearance, and sends an email to [email protected] as required more than 24 hours prior to departure (now to be on QF17 at 2140 on Sunday 24th after a Arriving at the checkin she is told No, your email was not received. She points to her outbox, and notes her email did not bounce. Therefore she argues it was received. She is told No Ma’am, you don’t understand, COVID is responsible for this, it is not our fault. She is told there is no way they can accept her letter of clearance even though she has the original in her hand and offers it. The kind Qantas assistant simply says, you will have to rebook for a later day, and send your letter in via email as required, or…… you could take a RAT here and now. Not wanting to pay ANOTHER $3000 to rebook YET AGAIN she takes a chance, has the RAT and thankfully tests negative, so is finally on her way.
This Qantas Customer Service was inflexible, arrogant, uncaring……(but to be fair the problems are obviously all the fault of our friend, the pax!)… Is this SOP?.
I suggested she write and complain, she said it is easier just to fly with another airline in future.
Are you reading this Alan? I would be happy to receive a pm.
Seabreeze
This Qantas Customer Service was inflexible, arrogant, uncaring……(but to be fair the problems are obviously all the fault of our friend, the pax!)… Is this SOP?.
I suggested she write and complain, she said it is easier just to fly with another airline in future.
Are you reading this Alan? I would be happy to receive a pm.
Seabreeze
Here is a recent example of a recent Qantas stuff up. A friend visits us in Sydney. She is due to fly out Friday 15th to LAX on QF11. She arrives at Terminal 1 three hours+ before the ETD and unfortunately tests positive to RAT, then has a PCR test (positive) but by now has missed her flight. She goes into self-quarantine- no symptoms. The following week she has a 3-hour wait on the phone to rebook and it costs an extra $3000. She sees a local medic and gets the required letter of clearance, and sends an email to [email protected] as required more than 24 hours prior to departure (now to be on QF17 at 2140 on Sunday 24th after a Arriving at the checkin she is told No, your email was not received. She points to her outbox, and notes her email did not bounce. Therefore she argues it was received. She is told No Ma’am, you don’t understand, COVID is responsible for this, it is not our fault. She is told there is no way they can accept her letter of clearance even though she has the original in her hand and offers it. The kind Qantas assistant simply says, you will have to rebook for a later day, and send your letter in via email as required, or…… you could take a RAT here and now. Not wanting to pay ANOTHER $3000 to rebook YET AGAIN she takes a chance, has the RAT and thankfully tests negative, so is finally on her way.
This Qantas Customer Service was inflexible, arrogant, uncaring……(but to be fair the problems are obviously all the fault of our friend, the pax!)… Is this SOP?.
I suggested she write and complain, she said it is easier just to fly with another airline in future.
Are you reading this Alan? I would be happy to receive a pm.
Seabreeze
This Qantas Customer Service was inflexible, arrogant, uncaring……(but to be fair the problems are obviously all the fault of our friend, the pax!)… Is this SOP?.
I suggested she write and complain, she said it is easier just to fly with another airline in future.
Are you reading this Alan? I would be happy to receive a pm.
Seabreeze
They have their list of excuses & they are never wrong.
Not just Qaint-asre.
Bloke I know was due to fly to Ballina with his missus and booked with Pelican on account of him not having his CIR and needing to get there on time(ish). Being a sensible fellow he purchased 'refund protection' as part of the booking process, "just in case" and lo and behold, Pelican cancelled the flight after the airport was NOTAM'd closed due to flooding. A straightforward case of "Here's your refund, sir, hope the weather's better next time", you would think, but....
Nope! Refund was denied by the (third-party) provider on the grounds "the airline cancelled the flight, so they're responsible for the refund". So he goes to Pelican with a copy of that email. Says they "NO, you purchased refund protection from a third party, they're responsible, not our problem." So he goes back to them now armed with Pelican's email. After two days of back and forth he gets jack of it and promptly lodges a civil claim against FlyPelican in the NSW Civil & Administrative tribunal, now chasing not just the refund, but the consequential losses incurred including filing fees, travel to attend hearings, his time compiling emails etc.. Pelican then get contract lawyers involved and ultimately offer a refund of the airfares and filing fees.
One things for sure, said bloke (also a pilot and aircraft owner) will never fly Pelican again.
Bloke I know was due to fly to Ballina with his missus and booked with Pelican on account of him not having his CIR and needing to get there on time(ish). Being a sensible fellow he purchased 'refund protection' as part of the booking process, "just in case" and lo and behold, Pelican cancelled the flight after the airport was NOTAM'd closed due to flooding. A straightforward case of "Here's your refund, sir, hope the weather's better next time", you would think, but....
Nope! Refund was denied by the (third-party) provider on the grounds "the airline cancelled the flight, so they're responsible for the refund". So he goes to Pelican with a copy of that email. Says they "NO, you purchased refund protection from a third party, they're responsible, not our problem." So he goes back to them now armed with Pelican's email. After two days of back and forth he gets jack of it and promptly lodges a civil claim against FlyPelican in the NSW Civil & Administrative tribunal, now chasing not just the refund, but the consequential losses incurred including filing fees, travel to attend hearings, his time compiling emails etc.. Pelican then get contract lawyers involved and ultimately offer a refund of the airfares and filing fees.
One things for sure, said bloke (also a pilot and aircraft owner) will never fly Pelican again.
Just because you sent an email, does not guarantee the addressee received it. So when the below (my bolding and colour) did not happen, what did the friend do?
That they will not process clearances at the airport on the day of departure is mentioned a couple of times else where, so should not have been a surprise. She has turned up at the airport without receiving prior advice from QF that she can travel or not.
There is no mention in the QF document of taking a RAT at the airport in a case such as this to prove COVID status. That the QF staff let her do it, and then let her on the flight, when their published SOP says they won't, to me, says they did her a massive favour.
Rather than slagging QF. she should be praising them for bending their own rules and ultimately saving her another $3000.
What happens next
What happens next
Once you've submitted your documents, your request will be assessed in accordance with the relevant government COVID-19 vaccination exemption and past positive medical clearance guidelines and requirements.
We'll then contact you to advise:
We'll then contact you to advise:
- if your request for a COVID-19 vaccination exemption or COVID-19 past positive medical clearance is accepted (pending test results), or
- if your request isn't accepted and advise you of your options.
She is told there is no way they can accept her letter of clearance even though she has the original in her hand and offers it.
3. At the airport
3. At the airport
When you arrive at the airport on your day of departure:
- For flights departing Australia, we're not able to process any COVID-19 past positive medical clearances at the airport on your day of departure. Therefore, you'll need to ensure you submit all relevant documentation in advance, otherwise your request will not be considered, and you may not be able to board your flight.
There is no mention in the QF document of taking a RAT at the airport in a case such as this to prove COVID status. That the QF staff let her do it, and then let her on the flight, when their published SOP says they won't, to me, says they did her a massive favour.
Rather than slagging QF. she should be praising them for bending their own rules and ultimately saving her another $3000.
Last edited by Traffic_Is_Er_Was; 27th Apr 2022 at 13:00.
Just because you sent an email, does not guarantee the addressee received it.
You'd think so. Maybe they could. Maybe they should. I too think a reference number or something back would be expected, but they don't. They don't tell you that you'll get a receipt confirmation, but they do tell you they will contact you with the result. If I hadn't heard from them, I'd be chasing them, because they make it pretty clear what happens otherwise.
The Basil Fawlty approach to customers
Post 126.. Traffic is... Are you serious? Supporting the airline approach when the customer (who has already shelled out hard cash up front) does not follow up the non-receipt of her email. How does she follow up, send it again and again every 5 mins, 10 mins, hour???, not knowing if and when a response should come? Sit on the phone for another 3 hours? To whom?
Airline and government approaches were/are changing daily. She pays her fares and hopes that Qantas will look after her, not find reasons to make her rebook again costing her further cash. This sort of approach was championed by no less than Basil Fawlty; perhaps Qantas should change its name to Fawlty Flyers in respect of Basil.
You (Traffic is) appear to know the exact details of how the system works right now, presumably because of your current role as a professional pilot (or a Qantas spin doctor). It is surely the company's responsibility to make the rebook and check in requirements of their PAYING passengers as simple as possible.
Airline and government approaches were/are changing daily. She pays her fares and hopes that Qantas will look after her, not find reasons to make her rebook again costing her further cash. This sort of approach was championed by no less than Basil Fawlty; perhaps Qantas should change its name to Fawlty Flyers in respect of Basil.
You (Traffic is) appear to know the exact details of how the system works right now, presumably because of your current role as a professional pilot (or a Qantas spin doctor). It is surely the company's responsibility to make the rebook and check in requirements of their PAYING passengers as simple as possible.
oh, and I suggest that it is far more common for a received email to be ignored than for an automated system to selectively ignore and not bounce an individual email. If the latter happens, it has been poorly designed, on purpose or by accident.
Anyway, apologists for this appalling management can be happy sticking to their views. They may one day be unemployed or unemployable.
SB
Anyway, apologists for this appalling management can be happy sticking to their views. They may one day be unemployed or unemployable.
SB
You'd think so. Maybe they could. Maybe they should. I too think a reference number or something back would be expected, but they don't. They don't tell you that you'll get a receipt confirmation, but they do tell you they will contact you with the result. If I hadn't heard from them, I'd be chasing them, because they make it pretty clear what happens otherwise.
(or a Qantas spin doctor)
..... a recent example of a recent Qantas stuff up.
It is surely the company's responsibility to make the rebook and check in requirements of their PAYING passengers as simple as possible.
I suggest that it is far more common for a received email to be ignored than for an automated system to selectively ignore and not bounce an individual email.
If the latter happens, it has been poorly designed, on purpose......
Good business practice and common sense would have a replay email acknowledging receipt of her email with information on what the next step is including words to the effect "if you do not receive conformation within ## hours, please call ## #### ####"