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Old 21st Jun 2022, 02:35
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Hahah, not by the sounds of things at NJS. Pilots are off signing up for pay freezes, while others are buying $20m houses...go figure!
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 02:59
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Congratulations NJS!
You just voted all your protections away for nothing in return.
The race to the bottom continues.

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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:05
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What a bunch of pathetic spineless losers. You really have screwed yourselves and the rest of industry by accepting such a sub standard deal.
Please remember that you can't complain next time you are getting 10 hours rest in base between two 4 sector days.
I guess what more can you expect from a bunch of bitter Qantas rejects.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:07
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Congratulations NJS!
You just voted all your protections away for nothing in return.
The race to the bottom continues.
what was the vote split?
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:08
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Vote split was 66% up.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:11
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QF SH 80% yes
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:24
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I think you will find that most of the NJS pilots that voted in favour of the agreement did so not because they felt that it was a "good agreement" but because they faced too much long term uncertainty if they voted no and the agreement was rejected. Essentially they were coerced into voting yes.

On the outside looking in it is easy to say that the race to the bottom continues thanks to NJS voting this agreement up (or any other pilot group when it is their time to vote), but when a person is operating an aircraft that is due to be phased out and is not in a position to easily uproot and move to a new job due to things such as age or family, to me it is understandable that an agreement like this can get over the line.

No, it does not help other pilot groups, but when your head is on the chopping block it can be hard to stand ground for the "greater good" when the consequences can have a severe impact on your life. Things may have been different if the NJS pilot group were not operating an aircraft that is being replaced and had more things in their favour but unfortunately things were stack against them and management was able to utilise standover tactics to force this agreement through.

I would not be surprised to see an exodus of pilots from NJS that are in position to move on to greener pastures and I hope there will be sufficient amounts that do so so that managements behaviour bites them in the butt regarding crewing, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. I also foresee that a lot of goodwill will be lost and doing things such as extending or accepting duties that don't need to be accepted will decline resulting in more delays and/or cancellations. Whether management will notice and understand why will be another story.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 03:37
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Memo from Qantas to Fair Work Australia:
We request that in order to reflect actuality, all current and future Workplace documentation involving amendments to Qantas Group employee's workplace terms and conditions are to refer to the "EU" - Enterprise Ultimatum…….
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 06:18
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Bit harsh on the NJS pilots, when over the road we have 80% of SH pilots voting to reduce conditions with zero benefits in return - before EBA negotiations even start. Seems a touch hypocritical for qf guys calling NJS drivers spineless..
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 07:00
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Bit harsh on the NJS pilots, when over the road we have 80% of SH pilots voting to reduce conditions with zero benefits in return - before EBA negotiations even start. Seems a touch hypocritical for qf guys calling NJS drivers spineless..
Maybe he was referring to both sets of pilots?
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 07:17
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What make you think he/she is a Qantas pilot?
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 07:30
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Did anyone ever work out the cost of making the whole NJS pilot list redundant?

Seemed like a rather idle threat looking from the outside.....
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Gunner747400 View Post
Did anyone ever work out the cost of making the whole NJS pilot list redundant?

Seemed like a rather idle threat looking from the outside.....
To make everyone go away? Only about $4mil.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Clear_Left View Post
To make everyone go away? Only about $4mil.
Not sure where you get that figure from but it would be substantially more than that
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 11:35
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Or here’s a thought......

Maybe one or both sets of pilots, having reviewed the offer before them, and weighing up the benefits and disadvantages of such a deal, considered that the offer presented to them would open up good opportunities for their future with any perceived disadvantages being insignificant enough to be negligible in the long run. Coming to a different conclusion to others doesn’t make them “spineless”.

What we do know is these aircraft will be placed in the existing operations, and in the case of the A321 the pilots will continue to enjoy the best narrowbody conditions in the country.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Check_Thrust View Post
I think you will find that most of the NJS pilots that voted in favour of the agreement did so not because they felt that it was a "good agreement" but because they faced too much long term uncertainty if they voted no and the agreement was rejected. Essentially they were coerced into voting yes.

On the outside looking in it is easy to say that the race to the bottom continues thanks to NJS voting this agreement up (or any other pilot group when it is their time to vote), but when a person is operating an aircraft that is due to be phased out and is not in a position to easily uproot and move to a new job due to things such as age or family, to me it is understandable that an agreement like this can get over the line.

No, it does not help other pilot groups, but when your head is on the chopping block it can be hard to stand ground for the "greater good" when the consequences can have a severe impact on your life. Things may have been different if the NJS pilot group were not operating an aircraft that is being replaced and had more things in their favour but unfortunately things were stack against them and management was able to utilise standover tactics to force this agreement through.

I would not be surprised to see an exodus of pilots from NJS that are in position to move on to greener pastures and I hope there will be sufficient amounts that do so so that managements behaviour bites them in the butt regarding crewing, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. I also foresee that a lot of goodwill will be lost and doing things such as extending or accepting duties that don't need to be accepted will decline resulting in more delays and/or cancellations. Whether management will notice and understand why will be another story.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but you have taken the words right out of my mouth. I'm sure the majority of NJS Pilots voted yes in shear desperation.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 17:42
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I love it how other pilot groups jump in and say 'you should have sacrificed your jobs for the good of us all!', easy to say but realistically everyone needs to look after their own situation. I am sure those that voted yes had a very good reason for doing so and should not be criticised for that.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 19:47
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The accepted agreement putsNJS conditions way ahead of Allianceand aheadofNetwork. It’s bit rich pointing the finger st NJS for continuing the race to the bottom.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 21:12
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I hope those guys who boldly declared that they would get the new aircraft and go hard at qantas next time, actually remember to go hard next time.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 22:12
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Sure, my comment will qualify me for Mastermind, special subject, The Bleeding Obvious - NJS guys suffer the old management line which we used to get 25 years ago when I was there, "guys, everyone wants our contract, its very competitive, and we must tighten our belts, take an 80% pay cut or you'll have no job." We got it all the time. Its far more serious now because QF have bought up all the NJS competitors and will just play them all off. I know its all obvious, but when you get guys calling them spineless, well they've not been in their shoes. And its not just a threat nowadays, make your branch of the operation uncompetitive and you WILL lose the work.
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