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New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX

Old 23rd Oct 2021, 00:24
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There is no such thing as a straight forward part 121 operation in CASA 's eyes. Any new AOC application will be very long winded and cost $$$$ - that's after the key operational appointments have been approved by CASA and issued their instruments. If a start- up operation is only just mustering together their senior team I cannot see how their AOC will be in the final stages, maybe embryonic stages.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 05:23
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Originally Posted by tiger-palm View Post
There is no such thing as a straight forward part 121 operation in CASA 's eyes. Any new AOC application will be very long winded and cost $$$$ - that's after the key operational appointments have been approved by CASA and issued their instruments. If a start- up operation is only just mustering together their senior team I cannot see how their AOC will be in the final stages, maybe embryonic stages.
Nothing will start until they get a HOFO. CEOs and CFOs can talk rainbows and lollipops with CASA for as long as they wish, the dial has not moved.

Bonza might spend the festive break putting manuals and it’s case together. However it will take Canberra 6 months to ‘review’ them. I would gather a million questions would follow soon after.

It really depends how much patience and cash they have.....to wait. The bill to have a MAX sit idle for a month is in the region of $350,000.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 06:09
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Yes, absolutely. Ideally, they'd have a HOFO, etc. in mind who would be 'directing' the building of the operations manuals anyway, so you'd expect them to be at interview stage for the CEO, HOFO and SM if they are that far down the track but if they're just advertising, well, that's a long way off being 'almost complete'.

I was just really saying that if it's a pretty straight-forward CASR Part 121 operation, 'most' of the documentation could be done in advance but it is a strange way to do it without at least one member of flight ops 'key personnel' tapped.
Haven’t they only just advertised for a ‘safety manager’? CASA aren’t going to pay them much attention until they have at least the head positions filled.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 07:02
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Haven’t they only just advertised for a ‘safety manager’? CASA aren’t going to pay them much attention until they have at least the head positions filled.
Wouldn't any professional new start have jumped up and clarified the position, free press/publicity and all that for their future?

Just wondering but when was the last time a new OAC was attempted that wasn't associated with an existing operator?
Never an easy exercise with CASA at anytime, new operator with no association...?

Statements/perception/reality don't really add up.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 07:21
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Taking out the annual Canberra festive reduced workload period, they have about 100 days to its inaugural flight (going off it’s April claim).

Im Bloody Possible
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 23:19
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Friend just pondered the chances of the Tiger AOC being dusted off, tweaked and presented to CASA.
Whether could be done/how receptive CASA would be....??

He also wondered as both money sources are USA could Bonza be the "new" Jetstar for Virgin MK 2??
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 10:48
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Bain putting more lipstick on the pig before sale
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 11:28
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 02:17
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Jesus!.....this tips us over the edge to official White Trash.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 02:26
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....and while I'm here, WTF happened to that other dumbass startup...Doug, or Brad or whatever?

Man, you'd have to have manure for your brain.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher View Post
....and while I'm here, WTF happened to that other dumbass startup...Doug, or Brad or whatever?

Man, you'd have to have manure for your brain.

Brad raised a total of 3000 dollars ( after several resets of his clock). Probably went out for a big dinner.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 04:50
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
reminded me of a David Brent interview
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 04:53
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 05:14
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Priceless!
So the entire management team so far is made up of ronin desperados who have been shown the door from such revered entities as Australia Post ("hey kid, wanna buy a watch"), Old Virgin Blue and Tigerair.
You'd think there was a pretty good reason why these bozos are currently unemployed and clutching at straws.
Marvellous, just 'king marvellous!
Still, it may be worth a laugh, but it does devalue our profession.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 07:50
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After hearing a few interviews I still don't get it. New aircraft, low frequency, under served cities pairs etc. But if you look at all the airlines he references none of them did that. They were originally charter operators with old aircraft operating charter services to either holiday destinations or secondary airports. Bonza is none of this and there are no secondary airports in Australia. So I have no idea why he thinks it will work in Australia as he is not doing what all the airlines he references did. Second to this Australia doesn't have a "winter sun" market which is what alot of LCC in cold weather climates rely on. What is the leisure market in Australia out of school holidays? Australia doesn't have a Las Vegas or Orlando type destination either.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 08:17
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Australia doesn't have a Las Vegas or Orlando type destination either.
Gold Coast would be close. But how big is the market from Albury or Wagga or Dubbo to GC? Maybe bigger than you'd think. Will be interesting to see.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 08:41
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
After hearing a few interviews I still don't get it. New aircraft, low frequency, under served cities pairs etc. But if you look at all the airlines he references none of them did that. They were originally charter operators with old aircraft operating charter services to either holiday destinations or secondary airports. Bonza is none of this and there are no secondary airports in Australia. So I have no idea why he thinks it will work in Australia as he is not doing what all the airlines he references did. Second to this Australia doesn't have a "winter sun" market which is what alot of LCC in cold weather climates rely on. What is the leisure market in Australia out of school holidays? Australia doesn't have a Las Vegas or Orlando type destination either.
He's obviously talking about Alice.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 09:00
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
After hearing a few interviews I still don't get it. New aircraft, low frequency, under served cities pairs etc. But if you look at all the airlines he references none of them did that. They were originally charter operators with old aircraft operating charter services to either holiday destinations or secondary airports. Bonza is none of this and there are no secondary airports in Australia. So I have no idea why he thinks it will work in Australia as he is not doing what all the airlines he references did. Second to this Australia doesn't have a "winter sun" market which is what alot of LCC in cold weather climates rely on. What is the leisure market in Australia out of school holidays? Australia doesn't have a Las Vegas or Orlando type destination either.
Spot on - Allegiant made money by flying Maddogs that had minimal ownership costs, sometimes only 2-3 times per week, on routes that would not make sense for a large scale airline. There is no way that you can replicate that using shiny new Maxes among such a small population without a well defined target market, Australian labour costs, and manage to turn a buck by filling those 189 seats at leisure fares. If you were running 100 seat aircraft that were being thrown at you for nothing, then there may be something to it. But this just doesn't stack up.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 13:26
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Avalon
Gold Coast
Toowoomba
Western Sydney (eventually)

Thats a few places I reckon they’d be looking at for bases.

Just a few routes that would show promise 2-3 times a week that are possible with bases like that:

Avalon
- Gold Coast
- Ballina
- Newcastle
​​​​​​- Proserpine
- Hervey Bay
- NZ?

Toowoomba
- Newcastle
- Cairns
- Darwin
- Melbourne
​​​​​​- Adelaide

Gold Coast
- Wagga Wagga
- Albury
- Proserpine
- Cairns
- Townsville
- Darwin
- Canberra
- Hobart
- NZ?

Adelaide
- Newcastle
- Proserpine
- Ballina
- Hervey Bay
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 23:24
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Yup, and every pax gets guaranteed their very own row to snooze in. Or to put it another way, there will be more than ample “social distancing”.
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