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Old 18th May 2021, 21:01
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JH comments are all beginning to make sense. Its interesting when one has skin in the game and how they have reacted to closed borders domestically and internationally. As pilots we want domestic to remain open, JH wants international at any cost even if "some people may die" JH skin in the game is now 42.4m incentive scheme to get VA profitable.
To think she was not going to draw a pay check until June or July this yr. I have not posted the full story, I'm sure you have all read it this morning.

Virgin boss Jayne Hrdlicka and top execs issued share bonus days before COVID death comments

Virgin Australia CEO Jayne Hrdlicka. Picture: Supplied ,

Christine Lacy


Senior reporter, Margin Call columnist
Virgin Australia boss Jayne Hrdlicka’s plea for the Morrison government to quickly open Australia’s borders — despite the fact that “some people may die” from coronavirus — has come just days after Hrdlicka and her executive team were issued shares in the resurrected airline with a face value of $42.4m.

Company documents seen by Margin Call reveal that Virgin Australia’s new owner, international private equity giant Bain Capital, last week issued Hrdlicka and her executive team 42.4 million shares fully paid to $1 each as part of an incentive scheme to drive the airline’s financial performance.
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Old 18th May 2021, 22:56
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Truth or not - what a "no win" comment, what positive spin could you possibly make from this. For those supportive of that kind of thinking and logic, there could be no explaining the reasons that would make this an unacceptable path. Such a Soylent Green revelation....................
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:02
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Originally Posted by The Bunglerat View Post
I'm no fan of JH, but in this instance she's not wrong. Covid has exposed Australia as a hermit nation, populated by a disproportionate number of sissies who jump at their own shadows. What the hell is wrong with you people...?!? Previous generations lived with all manner of viruses and debilitating - even fatal - diseases for which there were no vaccines or cure. They didn't curl up in a foetal position and retreat to their designated safe space, they accepted that risk is a part of life and got on with living.


10/10 comment. You also score an A+
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:02
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VA launch new program to win back 'Guests' - https://chaser.com.au/national/virgi...ier-programme/
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:03
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Originally Posted by The Bunglerat View Post
I'm no fan of JH, but in this instance she's not wrong. Covid has exposed Australia as a hermit nation, populated by a disproportionate number of sissies who jump at their own shadows. What the hell is wrong with you people...?!? Previous generations lived with all manner of viruses and debilitating - even fatal - diseases for which there were no vaccines or cure. They didn't curl up in a foetal position and retreat to their designated safe space, they accepted that risk is a part of life and got on with living.


This is probably the best thing I've read during this whole Covid bullshit debarcle!
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:03
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Originally Posted by The Butcher's Dog View Post
Truth or not - what a "no win" comment, what positive spin could you possibly make from this. For those supportive of that kind of thinking and logic, there could be no explaining the reasons that would make this an unacceptable path. Such a Soylent Green revelation....................
10/10 comment. You score an A+
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:26
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Yep, a great comment for an "airline boss" to make. Not the industry to highlight you are willing to sacrifice peoples lives for profit, now, how many planes are you willing to lose whilst reducing maintenance or training costs? 1%-5% this is your acceptable loss rate it sounds like. So I'll have up to a 1:20 chance of my plane crashing if I fly Virgin? Does not sound as appealing when you relate it to air travel does it.
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Old 18th May 2021, 23:47
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Shame to see so many transport pilots in this thread who are averse to "risk aversion". I hope your gung-ho mentality is confined to armchair commentating about infectious disease epidemiology and other matters about which you know very little, and not to your decision making on the flight deck
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Old 19th May 2021, 00:18
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I am reminded of the line in Shrek from Lord Farquaad - Some of you may die - but its a sacrifice I am prepared to make - apparently for the sake of my bonus
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Old 19th May 2021, 00:44
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Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
Shame to see so many transport pilots in this thread who are averse to "risk aversion". I hope your gung-ho mentality is confined to armchair commentating about infectious disease epidemiology and other matters about which you know very little, and not to your decision making on the flight deck
And you are an epidemiologist who knows better than the ‘armchair commentators’? The argument swings both ways. Should pilots be making flight deck decisions during the flu season when around 500,000 die annually and around 3 to 5 million catch it? What about a pilot who is undergoing personal stress or anxiety, how do you measure that data? Seriously, hardly anyone is denying the existence of COVID, the deaths, and the short and long term side effects. And nobody is saying a Pilot should still fly if and while affected, but to keep locking down states and countries is a complete joke. Should commercial aircraft in general be banned? After all, they are not ‘green and environmentally friendly’ and around 2.4% of global CO2 emissions come from aviation. Together with other gases and aircraft water vapour trails the industry is responsible for 5% of global warming.

And for the record, third world countries and/or despotic countries are always going to have higher percentage rates with any disease due to these reasons - no food, no water, no shelter, no medicine and/or being held to ransom by incompetent corrupt political readers. And some of those countries have a billion citizens so the numbers will be higher. Again, 99% of infected people recover. Destroying the global economy is not worth the price.
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Old 19th May 2021, 01:16
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And 99% of that 1% that would have died will now live once vaccinated.
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Old 19th May 2021, 01:58
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That is a serious amount of cash (Shares) the new executive team have taken out of the business. These CEO’s are just one big scam.
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Old 19th May 2021, 02:27
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So if we vaccinate, and keep vaccinated, our most vulnerable, complete the vaccination program for the rest and continue with sensible (proven) mitigation and containment practices, what are the downsides of opening our borders and why do those downsides outweigh the upsides? (And please, Soylent Green and other analogies are scaremongering irrelevancies.)
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Old 19th May 2021, 03:10
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This is probably why Virgin went belly up in the first place. Some were trying to focus on the airline but the majority were focused on useless discussions and irrelevant diversions.
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Old 19th May 2021, 03:16
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So if we vaccinate, and keep vaccinated, our most vulnerable, complete the vaccination program for the rest and continue with sensible (proven) mitigation and containment practices, what are the downsides of opening our borders and why do those downsides outweigh the upsides? (And please, Soylent Green and other analogies are scaremongering irrelevancies.)
First and foremost, we are in the enviable position to be able to wait and watch how the vaccine takes in other countries, like the UK. If case numbers resume growth exponentially then the vaccine is bogus and was a waste of time. We have to remember when you say this is for profits, who pays for the thousands of hospital beds and intubated patients. Its not "free" care, we are going to pay for that in taxes and medicare levies etc etc. Just so some airlines and businesses catering for international students and tourists can make some cash. The domestic market is pretty much back to normal, mining more or less unaffected (by covid that is). This argument is just selfish, 1% is not an insignificant number, its 1 in 100, list the things you do daily that have a 1 in 100 chance of dieing, I can't think of any. For interest sake, flu mortality rate is about 0.05%, but even this is considered a high figure as a lot of cases are not diagnosed, where as the testing for covid is so high we catch a vast number of cases so have good baseline knowledge of actual average mortality rates, being between 1 and 5% depending on genetics, age distribution, healthcare etc.

Again if someone said to you, that if you chose to catch a flight it had a 1 in 100 chance of crashing, would you use air travel?

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Old 19th May 2021, 03:40
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I have never seen so many pilots in support of a CEO in all my time!
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Old 19th May 2021, 04:57
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First and foremost, we are in the enviable position to be able to wait and watch how the vaccine takes in other countries, like the UK. If case numbers continue to grow exponentially then the vaccine is bogus and was a waste of time. We have to remember when you say this is for profits, who pays for the thousands of hospital beds and intubated patients. Its not "free" care, we are going to pay for that in taxes and medicare levies etc etc. Just so some airlines and businesses catering for international students and tourists can make some cash. The domestic market is pretty much back to normal, mining more or less unaffected (by covid that is). This argument is just selfish, 1% is not an insignificant number, its 1 in 100, list the things you do daily that have a 1 in 100 chance of dieing, I can't think of any. For interest sake, flu mortality rate is about 0.05%, but even this is considered a high figure as a lot of cases are not diagnosed, where as the testing for covid is so high we catch a vast number of cases so have good baseline knowledge of actual average mortality rates, being between 1 and 5% depending on genetics, age distribution, healthcare etc.

Again if someone said to you, that if you chose to catch a flight it had a 1 in 100 chance of crashing, would you use air travel?
Stop being such a whiny biatch and grow a pair.

You have a 100% chance of dying at some point, an about 1% chance of it being from the 'Killer Pandemic'; that's less than cancer or heart disease and about on par with croaking in a vehicle accident. I am assuming you're a pilot, and have had to manage risk at some point? Do the same here.

You say 'study what happens in the UK' - I'll tell you what the results are - cases and fatalities are coming down exponentially and there is no evidence that the media mutants beat vaccines. The UK is opening up and booking their overseas holidays.

Vaccinate the vulnerable first, and then everyone else. Borders can open at a suitable point in that process, and we can risk manage from there. Stop pretending you can hide on Magic Island forever, and nobody will die of anything.
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Old 19th May 2021, 06:10
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
First and foremost, we are in the enviable position to be able to wait and watch how the vaccine takes in other countries, like the UK. If case numbers continue to grow exponentially then the vaccine is bogus and was a waste of time.

Continue to grow exponentially?? WTF are you on about?? Let’s look at the UK:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/


hmmmm plummeting case numbers.

how about Israel?

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/israel/


wow, almost completely eradicated thanks to vax.

Exponential negative growth perhaps.


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Old 19th May 2021, 06:19
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You have a 100% chance of dying at some point, an about 1% chance of it being from the 'Killer Pandemic'; that's less than cancer or heart disease and about on par with croaking in a vehicle accident. I am assuming you're a pilot, and have had to manage risk at some point? Do the same here.
Because I do get out there and do things I have almost died from a bacteria far worse than Covid. That being said, your understanding of statistics is lacking, you don't catch heart disease or cancer, these things are genetic dispositions or some exposure to things that cause them, ie bad diet for heart disease or long term exposure to smoking for cancer. The 1% we discuss with Covid is your chance of dieing from it now, not what your possible eventual cause of death will be. Things that give you 1/100 chance of a heart attack or cancer immediately or quickly resulting in your death are heavily regulated for the safety of the stupid. This is why electricians do your house wiring and strict regulations of food or who can operate machinery etc. Some idiot who does not wish to quarantine can just walk past sneeze on me and I now have Covid and a 1 in 100 chance of dieing from it within a few weeks. Here's a contentious thought, a study on suicide attempts found only 1.5% of attempts using cuts or drugs resulted in death, so people that actually try to kill themselves using medical means are only slightly more likely to die of it than Covid infection.
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Old 19th May 2021, 06:24
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That being said, your understanding of statistics is lacking
Oh please, with your superior understanding of statistics explain this statement:

Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
First and foremost, we are in the enviable position to be able to wait and watch how the vaccine takes in other countries, like the UK. If case numbers continue to grow exponentially then the vaccine is bogus and was a waste of time.
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