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Old 13th Apr 2021, 20:20
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The queue to join an Airline in NZ/Aus is long and experienced at the moment, with a lot of Redundant/Stood down Pilots waiting to get their Job backs. Air NZ for example, have agreed that once all Link Pilots are recalled, any additional Link Recruitment will first be offered to Redundant Jet Pilots. I don't think we'll see a shortage for a few years to come. Even if flying return to 2019 levels, Airlines will be much leaner trying to recoup their COVID losses.

Other Regions, such as the ME, who took a heavy handed approach to Redundancies and aren't exactly known for their employee relations will likely be in need of experienced operators on the COVID rebound. I know a few who were laid off from the ME3, after the initial shock wore off and they found their feet, very few have any intention of returning... described it as a blessing in disguise.

In the longer term however, I'd say yes, there absolutely will a shortage. How many High School grads just went through Lockdowns while seeing the tourism industry decimated with thousands of redundancies and thought "I'm going burden myself with $100k debt to become a Pilot so I can drive a Bus when the next virus hits!"

And lets be honest... there will be another "Virus" for most of us.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 03:08
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I'm sure I remember reading that the SP747 stood for Short Pilot 747 and Boeing had to shorten it for the pilots to reach the rudder pedals.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 03:37
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Vietnam? Dreaming. I gather the expats there are still flying for food just to keep current.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 08:22
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Yes Vietnam, not a bad deal either.

And closer to home, Qlink Q400 are apparently “critically low”. Hundreds of pilots have left the industry for other exploits.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 08:45
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No Jobs in Australian aviation

I’d be telling anyone thinking of getting into aviation to not waste their aptitude on a sinking ship that is Australian aviation.
Anyone from Tiger is unemployed. As is anyone in Virgin International. Many in Virgin domestic.
Anyone on 4 Engine fleets in Qantas in effectively unemployed and it’s going to remain so for years.
Do something else. The industry is dead. Most are unemployed. That’s the reality.
Better and more reliable jobs out there. May be a different story if you work overseas.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 09:25
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Originally Posted by FightDeck View Post
I’d be telling anyone thinking of getting into aviation to not waste their aptitude on a sinking ship that is Australian aviation.
Anyone from Tiger is unemployed. As is anyone in Virgin International. Many in Virgin domestic.
Anyone on 4 Engine fleets in Qantas in effectively unemployed and it’s going to remain so for years.
Do something else. The industry is dead. Most are unemployed. That’s the reality.
Better and more reliable jobs out there. May be a different story if you work overseas.
And domestic pilots?
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieger View Post

Yes Vietnam, not a bad deal either.

And closer to home, Qlink Q400 are apparently “critically low”. Hundreds of pilots have left the industry for other exploits.
Are you F***ing kidding me? Not a bad deal?

Mate that is absolutely appalling, bordering on criminal. Considering how much it costs to live as an expat in that country, you would need a second job almost to be able to live.

There were first officers earning more than that captain rate, prior to Covid. Those Vietnamese airlines are simply milking the pilots and blaming it on covid.

If you want to go there and earn that, you’re nothing more than a scab.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 11:51
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
And domestic pilots?
Most Domestic pilots have jobs but not all. Virgin shrank a fair amount. Qantas domestic are fine.
Virgin International and the 4 engine Qantas fleets are effectively long term unemployed. Wouldn’t be surprised to see more redundancies if this drags on longer. No point delaying the inevitable.

You’d be an idiot to consider a job in aviation in Australia now.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 11:54
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:26
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Originally Posted by FightDeck View Post
You’d be an idiot to consider a job in aviation in Australia now.
Disagree. Now is exactly the time. Once the boom cycle starts it’s too late.

And the boom cycle will come, like it always does.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Blitzkrieger View Post
Yes Vietnam, not a bad deal either.

And closer to home, Qlink Q400 are apparently “critically low”. Hundreds of pilots have left the industry for other exploits.
Apart from the insulting headline offer, did you notice the small print? They are currently paying 70% of those rates due to covid, they can move that percentage as they see fit, and you are committed to 24 months service minimum!
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 13:34
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Disagree. Now is exactly the time. Once the boom cycle starts it’s too late.

And the boom cycle will come, like it always does.
^^^ This.

Now is the time to learn to fly.

Not when the taxi drivers are talking pilot shortages.

This industry waves. The way to catch a wave is to be ready when the wave strikes.

Those who order their surfboard when they hear the waves strike the beach tend to miss out.
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Old 14th Apr 2021, 19:05
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Originally Posted by FightDeck View Post
Anyone on 4 Engine fleets in Qantas in effectively unemployed and it’s going to remain so for years.
Do something else. The industry is dead. Most are unemployed. That’s the reality.
Better and more reliable jobs out there. May be a different story if you work overseas.
Qantas are beginning training 747 RINed pilots onto 330/787 positions, including promotions next bid period, which starts Monday week.
As well as “4 engine” pilots doing 737 courses currently, from delayed pre-covid courses/allocations.

Just the facts.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 08:43
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Good news Sparrows.

Here's just a little bit of data to mull over, while you crack a frothy & watch your Saturday foody / ruggers.

Happy landings
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