GT knows where MH370 is.
The principal inventor of the WSPR protocol, Nobel laureate Joe Taylor (K1JT), has stated:
I do not believe that historical data from the WSPR network can provide any information useful for aircraft tracking.
There is a lot of conjecture as to the application of WSPR to this task for a number of reasons. Using WSPR to find detections of MH370 was first proposed by Dr Robert Westphal some months back.
Earlier on one noted MH370 researcher, a physicist Dr Victor Iannello, wrote,
Another MH370 researcher and amateur radio hand comments on potential deficiencies in the approach and the interpretation of the data here.
It's certainly an interesting approach, certainly the only active new element in the search effort, but it is unlikely that it is capable of producing the quality data currently being attributed to it. Never say never though, right?
Earlier on one noted MH370 researcher, a physicist Dr Victor Iannello, wrote,
Another MH370 researcher and amateur radio hand comments on potential deficiencies in the approach and the interpretation of the data here.
It's certainly an interesting approach, certainly the only active new element in the search effort, but it is unlikely that it is capable of producing the quality data currently being attributed to it. Never say never though, right?
Seriously, I think anyone with any decent level of aviation experience is turned off every time his name and 'Aviation Expert' comes up on the banner at the bottom of the screen.... it's an insult to anyone with a modicum of aviation knowledge or experience.......
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Seriously, I think anyone with any decent level of aviation experience is turned off every time his name and 'Aviation Expert' comes up on the banner at the bottom of the screen.... it's an insult to anyone with a modicum of aviation knowledge or experience.......
The general Public, most regrettably, do not!
And therein lies the problem.
The problem is one step up the information food chain - the “aviation journalist” in the mainstream media.
Most are only capable of doing reviews of business class lounges or commentary of the merits of the the various airline’s offerings of free onboard pyjamas.
This leaves the way clear for the publicity seeking, self serving charlatan to peddle his/her theories without the inconvenience of rigorous questioning.
To be fair, what hope does your average twenty something year old journo with a soft liberal arts degree have when faced with the gravitas of a grizzly 70 year old ex-airline captain? Or some hungry wonk with a PhD with a “novel” theory who’s hunting for a research grant?
Most are only capable of doing reviews of business class lounges or commentary of the merits of the the various airline’s offerings of free onboard pyjamas.
This leaves the way clear for the publicity seeking, self serving charlatan to peddle his/her theories without the inconvenience of rigorous questioning.
To be fair, what hope does your average twenty something year old journo with a soft liberal arts degree have when faced with the gravitas of a grizzly 70 year old ex-airline captain? Or some hungry wonk with a PhD with a “novel” theory who’s hunting for a research grant?
Further work on the WSPRnet approach detailed here - https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...rch-for-mh370/
Form your own views.
Form your own views.
Richard Godfrey
It would seem that Richard Godfrey has managed to bring his evidence together as reported on BBC news this morning
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59517821
Is there any hope of this leading to a new search?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59517821
The disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines flight, carrying 239 passengers and crew, is one of the world's biggest aviation mysteries.
But a British aeronautical engineer, who has spent more than a year working on the disaster, thinks he has calculated where MH370 crashed.
But a British aeronautical engineer, who has spent more than a year working on the disaster, thinks he has calculated where MH370 crashed.
For everyone's opinions DG, see this thread: MH370 Found in the Indian Ocean?
Thanks for the head up jolihokistix. I'd never heard of him until this morning.
As I read the BBC article Mr Godfrey is bringing together a number of different data sources, including the contentious WSPR approach, in order to see if a concerted multi-disciplinary review is able to provide any (new) resultant location detail.
I'd be surprised if this hadn't been done before by those involved in the searches, perhaps sans WSPR. To me it seems a reasonably logical and scientific methodology, and something that should be de rigueur in such situations. If the various sources of data have not been previously collated and assessed then that's pretty poor, and those involved in this later work deserve approbation.
However, if what's being done by Mr Godfrey and team is to simply try and 'fit' WSPR data into an existing framework I'd be somewhat less congratulatory. While I have no particular axe to grind on WSPR, and remain open to new research on this phenomena, I don't know that this work is deserving of report at this stage. Should there eventually be a robust and peer-reviewable defensible scientific thesis on the use of WSPR with particular regard to this event that might be worthy of news, but at this point it all seems rather vapour like to me.
FP.
I'd be surprised if this hadn't been done before by those involved in the searches, perhaps sans WSPR. To me it seems a reasonably logical and scientific methodology, and something that should be de rigueur in such situations. If the various sources of data have not been previously collated and assessed then that's pretty poor, and those involved in this later work deserve approbation.
However, if what's being done by Mr Godfrey and team is to simply try and 'fit' WSPR data into an existing framework I'd be somewhat less congratulatory. While I have no particular axe to grind on WSPR, and remain open to new research on this phenomena, I don't know that this work is deserving of report at this stage. Should there eventually be a robust and peer-reviewable defensible scientific thesis on the use of WSPR with particular regard to this event that might be worthy of news, but at this point it all seems rather vapour like to me.
FP.
Good on ya GT, the public luv ya. You wouldn’t be the only bag chucker (straight out of school) who went on to drive dem planes! Haven’t been on prune for ages - nuthin’s changed, in fact it’s got worse, know-alls, armchair experts, rude people who wouldn’t know what an aileron was, etc. GT’s won awards and is still reporting. Good thing too!
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I bet you’ve broke some hearts in your time!
However I fail to see just how you could have arrived at the conclusions you have in post #74. Unless of course, you were just doing a spot of stirring!
If so, the appropriate smilies would have helped avoid any misunderstanding. The lack thereof could to some, actually indicate that you were quite serious!
Probably not, there's a thing called the statute of limitations. My concern is with the passage of time the media and so called experts direct the blame as an intentional act at the captain.
All we know is it's in the Indian Ocean and that there was likely control inputs made to get it there.
It could have been any one of us, there is no evidence it was either flight crew member or whether or not either one was partially incapacitated from a previous event.
If I was the captains family, I wouldn't hesitate to sue anyone making those allegations without compelling evidence.
All we know is it's in the Indian Ocean and that there was likely control inputs made to get it there.
It could have been any one of us, there is no evidence it was either flight crew member or whether or not either one was partially incapacitated from a previous event.
If I was the captains family, I wouldn't hesitate to sue anyone making those allegations without compelling evidence.
there is plenty of evidence..
pilot was a political activist.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sodomite.html
Malaysia is as corrupt as hell.
opposition leader was on trial with trumped up sodomy charges. In a conservative Muslim county that would be the equivalent of a paedophilia charge in Australia.
the verdict came in guilty only hours before the flight
the pilot has practiced the route flown on his home flight simulator. He had plenty of time to plan this as the trial went on for months.
the original search was confined to waters much closer to Malaysia, the pilot would not have known about the satellite pings.
had it not been for these pings, the search would have continued in waters around Malaysia, which would have been more visible from a news perspective than being carried out thousands of miles away in the middle of nowhere.
this would have caused embarrassment to the government.
it was clearly a political statement. It was obvious from the first couple of weeks. You may wish to not believe the obvious but that is your prerogative.
subsequently the Malaysian PM has been shown to be what he was and has been removed and now jailed himself. The opposition leaders guilty verdict quashed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53563065
pilot was a political activist.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-sodomite.html
Malaysia is as corrupt as hell.
opposition leader was on trial with trumped up sodomy charges. In a conservative Muslim county that would be the equivalent of a paedophilia charge in Australia.
the verdict came in guilty only hours before the flight
the pilot has practiced the route flown on his home flight simulator. He had plenty of time to plan this as the trial went on for months.
the original search was confined to waters much closer to Malaysia, the pilot would not have known about the satellite pings.
had it not been for these pings, the search would have continued in waters around Malaysia, which would have been more visible from a news perspective than being carried out thousands of miles away in the middle of nowhere.
this would have caused embarrassment to the government.
it was clearly a political statement. It was obvious from the first couple of weeks. You may wish to not believe the obvious but that is your prerogative.
subsequently the Malaysian PM has been shown to be what he was and has been removed and now jailed himself. The opposition leaders guilty verdict quashed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53563065
Also, I wouldn't be relying on the 'Daily Mail' for anything of a factual nature.
Malaysian PM has been shown to be what he was and has been removed and now jailed himself.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ce-in-malaysia
