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Malakor:
You just proved my point. “RAAF assistance to the civil community”.......
‘WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS YOUR WAGES???
Thats right, the civil community!
You cannot claim that you are assisting out of the goodness of your heart, we, the despised civvies, paid for point cook, paid for your training, pay for your upkeep, pay for your equipment.......and you think you are being somehow noble by coming to the assistance of your employers??
And I somehow benefited from a personal favour by being allowed to ride in the back of a C17 that I and others paid for?
We own you.
‘Is this an unintended consequence of having the Queen and G - G? You think they pay the bill?
It must be a painful thought that “civvies’, bogans and all, are actually your employer.
You have then gone on to provide your own evidence of RAAF assistance to the civil community which you benefited from; the very same help I was alluding to earlier when you labelled me 'entitled'.
‘WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS YOUR WAGES???
Thats right, the civil community!
You cannot claim that you are assisting out of the goodness of your heart, we, the despised civvies, paid for point cook, paid for your training, pay for your upkeep, pay for your equipment.......and you think you are being somehow noble by coming to the assistance of your employers??
And I somehow benefited from a personal favour by being allowed to ride in the back of a C17 that I and others paid for?
We own you.
‘Is this an unintended consequence of having the Queen and G - G? You think they pay the bill?
It must be a painful thought that “civvies’, bogans and all, are actually your employer.
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Malakor:
You just proved my point. “RAAF assistance to the civil community”.......
‘WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS YOUR WAGES???
Thats right, the civil community!
You cannot claim that you are assisting out of the goodness of your heart, we, the despised civvies, paid for point cook, paid for your training, pay for your upkeep, pay for your equipment.......and you think you are being somehow noble by coming to the assistance of your employers??
And I somehow benefited from a personal favour by being allowed to ride in the back of a C17 that I and others paid for?
We own you.
‘Is this an unintended consequence of having the Queen and G - G? You think they pay the bill?
It must be a painful thought that “civvies’, bogans and all, are actually your employer.
You just proved my point. “RAAF assistance to the civil community”.......
‘WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS YOUR WAGES???
Thats right, the civil community!
You cannot claim that you are assisting out of the goodness of your heart, we, the despised civvies, paid for point cook, paid for your training, pay for your upkeep, pay for your equipment.......and you think you are being somehow noble by coming to the assistance of your employers??
And I somehow benefited from a personal favour by being allowed to ride in the back of a C17 that I and others paid for?
We own you.
‘Is this an unintended consequence of having the Queen and G - G? You think they pay the bill?
It must be a painful thought that “civvies’, bogans and all, are actually your employer.
Come on sunny, you're missing my point! Your argument was RAAF despise civvies, mine is they do not! People join to serve the community. I know we are owned by the government and that the assistance being provided is the job. You may have had bad experiences with elements of the service, but the generalisation is out of order here.
Reading this is like watching the special needs kid at school fighting with all the others kids in the playground. You know his plight is pathetic and hopeless and against all the odds and you shouldn't watch but it's such a weird spectacle you find yourself looking back again and again.
Sunny, you need to forget this whole "We paid for you, we own you, you work for us" thing. If that were in any way true or sensible, everything in the entire country would be owned in some way by everyone else... the RAAF pay tax, they work for themselves, not you!
But no, you might've contributed some miniscule fraction of a percentage but you don't own them, they don't "work for you" and you have no say in their control. Do you stand outside schools, police stations, hospitals, bridges, ports, universities, bus stations, fire stations, etc shouting that you own them because you paid a few bucks in tax? Do you stand outside your local deli yelling about ownership because you bought milk and bread from them? The RAAF people work for the CDF and the CAF and do what those guys tell them to do. Those guys work for the PM and Minister of Defence. And those guys work for themselves and whomever they think might cast a swinging vote every few years. None of them gives a rat's about the taxpayer and especially the ones that rant maniacally at clouds.
Are you retired or do you still pay tax? Even if you did have some "claim" of ownership, if you don't pay tax anymore then you're in default on your payments and got your ride for free. You owe the rest of us for one C-17 flight.
Also, I suspect you have never met most or even all the RAAF guys you malign on here. Is that correct? If so, casting aspersions on the merest hint of knowledge of the gents is not cool.
I think you need to calm down and get back on your meds before you blow a valve.
Sunny, you need to forget this whole "We paid for you, we own you, you work for us" thing. If that were in any way true or sensible, everything in the entire country would be owned in some way by everyone else... the RAAF pay tax, they work for themselves, not you!
But no, you might've contributed some miniscule fraction of a percentage but you don't own them, they don't "work for you" and you have no say in their control. Do you stand outside schools, police stations, hospitals, bridges, ports, universities, bus stations, fire stations, etc shouting that you own them because you paid a few bucks in tax? Do you stand outside your local deli yelling about ownership because you bought milk and bread from them? The RAAF people work for the CDF and the CAF and do what those guys tell them to do. Those guys work for the PM and Minister of Defence. And those guys work for themselves and whomever they think might cast a swinging vote every few years. None of them gives a rat's about the taxpayer and especially the ones that rant maniacally at clouds.
Are you retired or do you still pay tax? Even if you did have some "claim" of ownership, if you don't pay tax anymore then you're in default on your payments and got your ride for free. You owe the rest of us for one C-17 flight.
Also, I suspect you have never met most or even all the RAAF guys you malign on here. Is that correct? If so, casting aspersions on the merest hint of knowledge of the gents is not cool.
I think you need to calm down and get back on your meds before you blow a valve.
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Sunfish, best you take your bat and ball and go home.
I’ve seen toddlers who can control their emotions better than you and frankly every time you hit reply you are just embarrassing yourself more.
I’ve seen toddlers who can control their emotions better than you and frankly every time you hit reply you are just embarrassing yourself more.
Reading this is like watching the special needs kid at school fighting with all the others kids in the playground. You know his plight is pathetic and hopeless and against all the odds and you shouldn't watch but it's such a weird spectacle you find yourself looking back again and again.
Sunny, you need to forget this whole "We paid for you, we own you, you work for us" thing. If that were in any way true or sensible, everything in the entire country would be owned in some way by everyone else... the RAAF pay tax, they work for themselves, not you!
But no, you might've contributed some miniscule fraction of a percentage but you don't own them, they don't "work for you" and you have no say in their control. Do you stand outside schools, police stations, hospitals, bridges, ports, universities, bus stations, fire stations, etc shouting that you own them because you paid a few bucks in tax? Do you stand outside your local deli yelling about ownership because you bought milk and bread from them? The RAAF people work for the CDF and the CAF and do what those guys tell them to do. Those guys work for the PM and Minister of Defence. And those guys work for themselves and whomever they think might cast a swinging vote every few years. None of them gives a rat's about the taxpayer and especially the ones that rant maniacally at clouds.
Are you retired or do you still pay tax? Even if you did have some "claim" of ownership, if you don't pay tax anymore then you're in default on your payments and got your ride for free. You owe the rest of us for one C-17 flight.
Also, I suspect you have never met most or even all the RAAF guys you malign on here. Is that correct? If so, casting aspersions on the merest hint of knowledge of the gents is not cool.
I think you need to calm down and get back on your meds before you blow a valve.
Sunny, you need to forget this whole "We paid for you, we own you, you work for us" thing. If that were in any way true or sensible, everything in the entire country would be owned in some way by everyone else... the RAAF pay tax, they work for themselves, not you!
But no, you might've contributed some miniscule fraction of a percentage but you don't own them, they don't "work for you" and you have no say in their control. Do you stand outside schools, police stations, hospitals, bridges, ports, universities, bus stations, fire stations, etc shouting that you own them because you paid a few bucks in tax? Do you stand outside your local deli yelling about ownership because you bought milk and bread from them? The RAAF people work for the CDF and the CAF and do what those guys tell them to do. Those guys work for the PM and Minister of Defence. And those guys work for themselves and whomever they think might cast a swinging vote every few years. None of them gives a rat's about the taxpayer and especially the ones that rant maniacally at clouds.
Are you retired or do you still pay tax? Even if you did have some "claim" of ownership, if you don't pay tax anymore then you're in default on your payments and got your ride for free. You owe the rest of us for one C-17 flight.
Also, I suspect you have never met most or even all the RAAF guys you malign on here. Is that correct? If so, casting aspersions on the merest hint of knowledge of the gents is not cool.
I think you need to calm down and get back on your meds before you blow a valve.
Whence once upon a time when I worked in a pub you would occasionally get the obnoxious individual state that I pay your wages with the implications that they were your boss/superior. No sunshine the licensee pays my wages. In the ADF, farmer bro in law, in an inebriated rant, stated I pay your wages. I replied my tax pays for your drought relief, flood relief, subsidised fuel, fire relief, etc. If people do not realise that is just one big wheel, unless you are a million/billionaire, we all work and pay each other than you are arguing with a fool and you know what they say about arguing with fool's. They will beat you down and win with their experience and expertise. Sunny I think should have his internet privilege revoked at the retirement village.
Oh dear. That’s quite a chip on your shoulder Sunfish.
To completely clear the air, can you clarify whether your naked (and slightly unhinged) bitterness towards the Air Force is derived from your limited service as a lieutenant in (a) the Army, (b) Army Reserve or (c) the cadets?
To completely clear the air, can you clarify whether your naked (and slightly unhinged) bitterness towards the Air Force is derived from your limited service as a lieutenant in (a) the Army, (b) Army Reserve or (c) the cadets?
Assymetric, none of the above. What little we saw of the RAAF was cordial. The RAAF and ex RAAF I met in aerospace were also great people.
I referred some time ago to three separate corporate senior managers I had the misfortune to work for who were: (1)Ex RAAF Engineering Officers who liked reminding people of their superior service origins. (2) Full of themselves with chips on both shoulders for balance and extremely unpleasant personalities and (3) utterly incompetent and rotten managers. The experience of dealing with those three perverted military minds scarred me for life.
I react strongly when I read comments here that remind me of those entitled, psychopathic and totally worthless bullies and the games they played. The alleged behaviour at Point Cook sounds exactly like them.
I referred some time ago to three separate corporate senior managers I had the misfortune to work for who were: (1)Ex RAAF Engineering Officers who liked reminding people of their superior service origins. (2) Full of themselves with chips on both shoulders for balance and extremely unpleasant personalities and (3) utterly incompetent and rotten managers. The experience of dealing with those three perverted military minds scarred me for life.
I react strongly when I read comments here that remind me of those entitled, psychopathic and totally worthless bullies and the games they played. The alleged behaviour at Point Cook sounds exactly like them.
Full of themselves with chips on both shoulders for balance and extremely unpleasant personalities
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I react strongly when somebody makes the statement 'the RAAF despises all civilians.'
You may have misunderstood my argument as claiming a sense of entitlement. I can assure you that was not my intention, it was merely to point out that there are hard working men and women currently serving, many of whom joined in order to provide the service to the community they are currently providing, who do not deserve the outrageous generalisation you have directed at them.
Of course there are bad apples in defence, but as you mentioned there are also good ones, like in any industry.
You may have misunderstood my argument as claiming a sense of entitlement. I can assure you that was not my intention, it was merely to point out that there are hard working men and women currently serving, many of whom joined in order to provide the service to the community they are currently providing, who do not deserve the outrageous generalisation you have directed at them.
Of course there are bad apples in defence, but as you mentioned there are also good ones, like in any industry.
Ok, I'll go on the record here........................SUNFISH, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU ARE A DESPISED CIVVY.
And since you stick to the line of you paid for everything - thanks for all my jet hours and all the overseas trips, and all the fun I had. Much appreciated........loser.
And since you stick to the line of you paid for everything - thanks for all my jet hours and all the overseas trips, and all the fun I had. Much appreciated........loser.
The experience of dealing with those three perverted military minds scarred me for life.
I react strongly when I read comments
I react strongly when I read comments
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I referred some time ago to three separate corporate senior managers I had the misfortune to work for
Thank you all for your comments.’
On reflection, I’ve over reacted ; the obvious reason for the RAAF to reclaim the base, kicking the volunteers and the club off the premises in the process, is to sell it unencumbered and without effective community opposition for property development. Isn’t that what happened at Laverton? All that was left there, I think, was some space for the SAS exercise Helos, but I may be out of date.
On reflection, I’ve over reacted ; the obvious reason for the RAAF to reclaim the base, kicking the volunteers and the club off the premises in the process, is to sell it unencumbered and without effective community opposition for property development. Isn’t that what happened at Laverton? All that was left there, I think, was some space for the SAS exercise Helos, but I may be out of date.
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What set me off was Bodies comment about "civvies" which displayed obvious contempt for anyone who is not RAAF. He should apologise.
It's a RAAF base mate, they can do what they damn please with it, not your call mate. (I'm not ex-RAAF, current RAAF or any of the other services). I also believe it's a fair trade for the 'taxpayer' to fund their flight training in the expectation that these lads/ladettes get to fly in a war zone to defend your pitiful existence. Truth be told, it's probably weighted in the taxpayers favour given they're putting their lives on the line for the privilege of the cost of flight training.
Have some respect for the people that serve you arseclown.
It’s a RAAF base mate, they can do what they damn please with it, not your call mate. (I'm not ex-RAAF, current RAAF or any of the other services). I also believe it's a fair trade for the 'taxpayer' to fund their flight training.]
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Tell that to the Defence Minister and the Treasurer. Point Cook is desirable residential land. The locals have been complaining about its use as an airport for at least fifteen years. The road access to the whole area is choked and problematic, so is public transport. It has a stack of infrastructure - barracks , mess, etc., but I wouldn’t know if any of it is in an acceptable state these days.
Have some respect for the people
Regarding your name-calling comments to Sunfish - I don't like particularly Sunfish (I have earlier posted a "F*** Off" response to him on an previous thread) nor his attitudes but just occasionally his postings do contain a well written, non-abusive, fresh and intelligent viewpoint. Unlike yours.
You clearly lack the compassion, wit and moral compass to appreciate the angst amongst the volunteers who have previously run this facility to a very high standard. Unlike you I really feel for the people involved.
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I think this thread has been hijacked by Point Cook real estate agents.
On one of my later visits to the Point Cook Museum I came across a 70 year old experienced machinist working on a V12 Merlin engine fabricating replacement engine parts for free. In conversation he mentioned that the exhaust valves used by the Merlin are hollow and filled with sodium as a cooling agent, and should you ever try to cut through one then it will probably be fatal. A font of knowledge and experience lay before me that was part of a skilled team keeping this museum and its exhibits in a state to be enjoyed by many.
If the RAAF does not appreciate this then they are doing themselves a major disservice. Sure you can have all the money in the world and do whatever you wish with it, but what's the point if you have no friends to share the experience.
On one of my later visits to the Point Cook Museum I came across a 70 year old experienced machinist working on a V12 Merlin engine fabricating replacement engine parts for free. In conversation he mentioned that the exhaust valves used by the Merlin are hollow and filled with sodium as a cooling agent, and should you ever try to cut through one then it will probably be fatal. A font of knowledge and experience lay before me that was part of a skilled team keeping this museum and its exhibits in a state to be enjoyed by many.
If the RAAF does not appreciate this then they are doing themselves a major disservice. Sure you can have all the money in the world and do whatever you wish with it, but what's the point if you have no friends to share the experience.