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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:31
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Tv series

New Tv series over three weeks "Australia come fly with me" on SBS, fingers crossed it wont just all be about Qantas.
Bit of a look back at the past of the industry when it was optimistic.
So there's that, what do you think another doco will be about in 50 years from now, looking back at the industry from the late ninetees to now?

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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:53
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Back when one would go and buy an outfit just to go flying. Can we go back in time?

Fast forward and whilst I have yet to have someone walk on with underwear and bintang singlet, however from what I’ve seen of late that day is very near.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:40
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My Mum is in it, yet to watch as not 8:30 here yet.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 12:50
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Am I the only one who thinks the mythology of flying in the “good old days” 20’s, 50’s, 70’s whenever has been over glamourised? We tend to romanticise the past.

Far higher crash rate, longer trip times, almost unaffordable ticket prices, less frequency, lower cruise altitudes in the middle of weather, cabins filled with smoke, higher noise levels, no IFE, more lost luggage. Air travel only used frequently by a small group of people.
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Dr., probably.
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dr dre +1, so very true, but at least you could visit the cockpit and perhaps sit in the jump seat.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 22:16
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dr dre +1, so very true, but at least you could visit the cockpit and perhaps sit in the jump seat.
Woopdee doo. Did they take you direct to Melbourne?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 09:29
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Am I the only one who thinks the mythology of flying in the “good old days” 20’s, 50’s, 70’s whenever has been over glamourised? We tend to romanticise the past.

Far higher crash rate, longer trip times, almost unaffordable ticket prices, less frequency, lower cruise altitudes in the middle of weather, cabins filled with smoke, higher noise levels, no IFE, more lost luggage. Air travel only used frequently by a small group of people.
Yeah, great days indeed. Flying was special. People had manners. Bogans went to Rosebud for a holiday or got a bus or train to Mildura or Swan Hill. Cabin crew were charming as opposed to todays charmers. Flying now is an ordeal. Increase the fares and pay the staff and return it as it was in the past.
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And watch the number of unemployed pilots climb higher.
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And watch the number of unemployed pilots climb higher.
Totally agree. Flying shouldn’t be the preserve of only the well to do. It shouldn’t cost a full
year’s average salary to afford a return ticket to Europe as it once did. Plus yes, the boom and wide accessibility of air travel (well, up to this year at least but hopefully back within a few) has created employment for far more budding aviators than in the past. And for a lot who would’ve not had the chance to enter the flight deck, women, those from poorer backgrounds

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Old 15th Oct 2020, 15:01
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Flying shouldn’t be the preserve of only the well to do. It shouldn’t cost a full
year’s average salary to afford a return ticket to Europe as it once did.
Nor should it cost less than the cost of a taxi ride to fly across Australia. I’d take something in the middle of “golden era” travel and the unwashed hordes we have now.

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Old 15th Oct 2020, 23:41
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Totally agree. Flying shouldn’t be the preserve of only the well to do. It shouldn’t cost a full
year’s average salary to afford a return ticket to Europe as it once did. Plus yes, the boom and wide accessibility of air travel (well, up to this year at least but hopefully back within a few) has created employment for far more budding aviators than in the past. And for a lot who would’ve not had the chance to enter the flight deck, women, those from poorer backgrounds
Fine, if you wish for quantity over quality. More people have lousy jobs, sounds good.
And apart from a few years of the flying boat era it didn't cost anywhere near a years salary.
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Nor should it cost less than the cost of a taxi ride to fly across Australia. I’d take something in the middle of “golden era” travel and the unwashed hordes we have now.
It’s a seat for a matter of hours. Who cares.

Sounds like you are a bit stuck up and only travel business class anyway, so Low cost airlines and “the unwashed hordes” shouldn’t bother you.
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Yes, it was a glamourised (possibly overly) occupation and also a way to travel up until the 1980’s? The down side is that it was expensive particularly in Australia. I remember when in the mid 80’s it was around $1500 to fly Sydney – Perth return. A captive audience. You still, I believe, could get a London return ticket for that price up until recently. And as with most things a negative produces a positive. With travel expensive the drunken rowdy mob and obnoxious individuals where generally not sighted. The downside of cheap travel is the workers, aircrew etc, are no longer in the pay bracket they once were. Also you have to put up with be seated with individuals that you would in normal circumstances avoid. Before a comment is made on snobbery I am a bogan but an important difference, I believe, is I was bought up with manners and respect for others (until it was displayed that they did not deserve such)
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I was a 707 and 747 FEO from age 22, until retirement at 55. It was glamorous in the early days and our main completion until the Jumbo was a ship if you wanted cheap to London.

One event that opened my eyes was flying the Hajj from Jakarta for 2 months in the mid 90s. The Hajj passengers were very poor and it was probably the only time most will fly in their lives. But they were respectful and generous to us in their appreciation and their joy in travelling to Mecca was obvious. From that I learned that price isn't the problem. I suspect its the ease to do it again and again which takes both the enjoyment and the pleasure out of flying for most pax. Its no longer special so they react accordingly.

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Old 17th Oct 2020, 04:18
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Ever the concept of LLCs came on the scene, it has been a race to the bottom.

The ticket price should reflect what it actually cost/nm to offer that seat, plus the margin, for the particular aircraft, not an average over the fleet.

No one is treated like a customer these days, more like an inconvenience in getting VH-ZZZ from A to B.
Rather than have boarding passes available in what ever technology is fashionable on the particular day, why not have a barcode tattooed on our forehead. They could read our ID and flight details from the barcode.and take our temperature at the same time. An update could let the authorities know where we had been for the last 14 days

I had an experience BC19 where a group of us had booked Melbourne to Queenstown on VA tickets. It was codeshared on an Air NZ aircraft.
Departed about 10 am with about 2pm arrival in NZ,
As it was an International flight the VA site indicated that we would get lunch on board.
Yes there was lunch, but only for the ANZ passengers. "Why" we asked. "You did not request lunch. "

It used to be simple once. A flight over breakfast you received breakfast, Same for a flight over lunch and dinner periods.
Now booking a flight it is liking ordering a meal at the so called fast food outlets
"Would you like that to be a meal?" "Would you like fries with that?" "Would you like any drinks with that"

At least the airline booking system can speak English, not some warp-speed gibberage that we hear these days.

And how did SBS weave land rights into a series on flight?




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Old 17th Oct 2020, 23:05
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No one is treated like a customer these days, more like an inconvenience in getting VH-ZZZ from A to B.
Have you ever been from A to B in VH-ZZZ?
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Watched the first episode on SBS and will be interested to see how much they will actually show in the series as much of the footage was dominated by ads.
I was lucky enough as a boy to travel often with the with Ansett-ANA, TAA,EWA, Airlines of NSW (aka Butler Airways and Barrier Reef Airways) and have to agree that the 1960's and 70's were the Golden Era of Aviation. Was definitely only for the wealthy but the inflight service was pretty good as were the meals. It was all very glamorous and people dressed as if they were going to a formal dinner. Still have menus, junior flyer club logbooks and other collectables from that era. Most memorable flights were First Class on a BOAC Comet 4 to AKLjust prior to their retirement and return in a QF Electra, QF707 to AKL and return with TEAL/Air New on DC8 Sydney to Noumea on UTA Caravelle, and Sydney Lord Howe and return on the old Sunderland/Sandringham flying boats. But in those days the legroom, inflight meals and service was great in both First and Economy and the cabin crew were proud of the product.
Probably the best documentary of the Golden Ae of air travel is 'Come Fly With Me The Story of PANAM' which you can watch on youtube.
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Watched the first episode on SBS and will be interested to see how much they will actually show in the series as much of the footage was dominated by ads.
I was lucky enough as a boy to travel often with the with Ansett-ANA, TAA,EWA, Airlines of NSW (aka Butler Airways and Barrier Reef Airways) and have to agree that the 1960's and 70's were the Golden Era of Aviation. Was definitely only for the wealthy but the inflight service was pretty good as were the meals. It was all very glamorous and people dressed as if they were going to a formal dinner. Still have menus, junior flyer club logbooks and other collectables from that era. Most memorable flights were First Class on a BOAC Comet 4 to AKLjust prior to their retirement and return in a QF Electra, QF707 to AKL and return with TEAL/Air New on DC8 Sydney to Noumea on UTA Caravelle, and Sydney Lord Howe and return on the old Sunderland/Sandringham flying boats. But in those days the legroom, inflight meals and service was great in both First and Economy and the cabin crew were proud of the product.
Probably the best documentary of the Golden Ae of air travel is 'Come Fly With Me The Story of PANAM' which you can watch on youtube.
Yes, those who experienced those times were indeed lucky.
As Morno pointed out, it is only a seat for a few hours, and you can now get from A to B for a pittance. Its a bit like comparing a Macca's drive thru meal with watered down coke syrup to a fine dining restaurant. Both satisfy a need but one always ends in a promise of never again and the other is a memorable and special experience albeit at a little more significant expense. I guess if both have never been experienced its more difficult to know. The end result of the LCC introduction as you see now, everyone has lost except for the blue singlet brigade. And the real shame is what is laughingly called a "full service" carrier is only marginally better, same attitude though.

On the topic of SBS having to weave in a "land rights" moan into a story about aviation, thats the norm for our anti OZ broadcaster, expect more in the next 2 episodes. I understand there is a claim of sexism coming up because a new airline recruit was forced to do a ground school instead of moving straight to the cockpit, you can't make this stuff up.
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