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Qantas schadenfreud.

Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:01
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Qantas Schadenfreude.

Discussion with serious financial folk indicates that Qantas would be unwise to gloat over Virgin. They believe QF may be in the same situation come December.

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:08
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Not to detract from your post, but it’s Schadenfreude, with a capital “S” and a terminating “e”. Thanks.

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:23
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Quite a few had already predicted that Sunfish. It’s the reason why AJ has been deathly silent for the last few months......The realisation.........

but it’s OK........we don’t pick winners or losers......industry wide support.......
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:27
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Must've missed the QF Hangar party.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 15:14
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Yes Iím sure those financial experts know theyíre in trouble better than the company itself which has legal obligations to the market and started they will be alright until December 2021.

And the CEO has been so ďdeathly silentĒ he has done interviews with 4 Corners, the Australian Financial Review, 2GB and the 7:30 Report within the last two weeks....
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 15:24
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Yes, but no more mention of ‘those’ or similar remarks....
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 19:39
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Fool Sufferer, sadly yes. I am deluded. A former Bank Chairman voiced his concerns without any prompting from me and he told me he was not alone in his concerns. He must have been deluded too.

I take very strong exception to your characterisation of any of my posts - ever - as being “ violently hostile“ to any employees of Qantas - ever, and I ask you to withdraw your assertion or point me to such a comment so that I can apologise. I have nothing but respect for the professionalism of their operations staff which I still would characterise as the best in the world.

As for the senior management of Qantas and it’s policies, yes I am highly critical, but again I utterly reject any suggestion of impropriety on my part. The Board and senior management are fair game.

The only bright side I see for Qantas and a lot of other companies going through this extremely painful time is that it is an opportunity to get businesses back to basics - focussing on what really matters to their customers and not faffing about with management theories.

In the case of Qantas, that should bring them to take a long hard look at the outsourcing policies that among other things, destroyed their magnificent Australian engineering capability and their marketing policies that I assert were Sydney - centric to the detriment of the rest of Australia.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 21:23
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Well at the end of the day if QF goes down then pretty much every other airline and company that was remotely linked to tourism/hospitality is also screwed. A change in national strategy after this 6 weeks perhaps?

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:02
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Nothing would bring Sunfish greater pleasure than to see Qantas, virgin and any other aviation business go bankrupt.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:06
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oh...youíre still here. Ho hum.


Didnít the market just support a 1.9 billion capital raising? Arenít the actual financial boffins predicting that QF will emerge from this even stronger? Maybe your mate is an Ďexí for a reason. Maybe heís the kind of guy who sees an opportunity to load up on shares and wants the price a little bit lower. Maybe he knows what a deluded fool you are and how you would run to the nearest device possible and post directly onto an anonymous forum, once again, predicting doom and gloom for QF.

no one at QF wants VA to fail. AJís comments were right on point. VA had been badly managed. Support should be industry wide. But hey, we all love to be outraged at the simplest things these days.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:47
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Life must be pretty good. Lots of hobbies, interests, close friends and family to spend time with.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:48
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I want a vibrant, competitive aviation sector that facilitates the growth of Australia’s international trade. If Qantas and Virgin are part of that then good.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
The Board and senior management are fair game.
Then, sir, so are you
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:59
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Really need to see how Melbourne goes in the 28 days post lockdown, which is September. Any spikes at all during this period, donít expect anyone opening up anything this year.

They are bullish, and rightly so I guess, considering the cash burn and damage itís doing to the ongoing viability of the whole operation. Iím not sure if Reality has hit yet? Itís clear Melbourne wonít be open until October/November. Post Lockdown does not mean open borders. More so, Anastasia will wait 4-8 weeks of watching numbers before even considering letting southerners up.

I would be looking at November until Melbourne is ramped up. Not sure what date Alan thinks, but looks like he wants all guns blazing September School holidays.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:06
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Out of work pilots understandably have not much better to do than ponder and prognosticate the future.

You’re retired aren’t you Sunfish? Nothing better to do? Sad!
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:21
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I’ve never been busier. However it doesn’t thaw out down here till 10.00am.

An interesting side effect to the ban on international travel is that, outside Melbourne, the domestic tourist market is going crazy. The caravan, camping and four wheel drive markets are insane at present. All that international travel budget is being channeled into domestic tourism. You cannot get a booking to fit a tow bar for weeks is what I’m told.

No one seems to want to do domestic air travel because they are afraid of catching Covid19 as well as worrying about airfare costs if Virgin is out of the market. This is just perceptions I have heard.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Iíve never been busier. However it doesnít thaw out down here till 10.00am.

An interesting side effect to the ban on international travel is that, outside Melbourne, the domestic tourist market is going crazy. The caravan, camping and four wheel drive markets are insane at present. All that international travel budget is being channeled into domestic tourism. You cannot get a booking to fit a tow bar for weeks is what Iím told.

No one seems to want to do domestic air travel because they are afraid of catching Covid19 as well as worrying about airfare costs if Virgin is out of the market. This is just perceptions I have heard.

I heard, she said, he said etc etc is not evidence...​​​​​​

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:38
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as well as worrying about airfare costs if Virgin is out of the market. This is just perceptions I have heard.
Just stop...
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:50
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Oh dear. It seems to be very much “play the man and not the ball”. Very disappointing that there are disparaging remarks cast upon people that although once a professional are now retired and therefore no longer are worthy of making a comment and/or must have nothing better to do (bordering on bullying). I do not know any of the players or their history on this post (yes you may illuminate me). Considering Sunfish has elicited a number of negative responses he has obviously upset a number of people. If his post are that type that require a pointed personal response would it not be better to ignore the post or let the moderators moderate?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 00:50
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I have watched for 16 years as Sunfish makes ridiculous bold disparaging assertions about Qantas. Not saying he is wrong on this occasion, but I am yet to see be correct about our national carrier.

The Webster dictionary defines Schadenfreude as "enjoyment obtained at the troubles of others". So Sunfish, why would you class it as "Schadenfreude" to see so many people out of work? Wouldn't that be a national tragedy? Do you like inflicting pain on others? WTF is wrong with you?

Repeatedly, people have asked him why he dislikes Qantas so much. Repeatedly, he avoids the question and fails to answer. So here goes one last time: Sunfish, why do you dislike Qantas and Qantas employees so much?
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