REX to transition to ATRs, start domestic jet ops
Note Papajoe has been asked a couple of times now where he plucks his load figures from…..
doesn’t answer. Come on mate, fess up. I suspect you have an agenda rather than load figures
doesn’t answer. Come on mate, fess up. I suspect you have an agenda rather than load figures
How dare you post anything positive about Rex... that's not how it works around here. If you haven't got something bad to say then don't say it. Basic prune rules and I'm sure the mods will back me up.
Why on earth would we want another airline creating employment for the masses of unemployed pilots?
Why on earth would we want another airline creating employment for the masses of unemployed pilots?
But do we really want a company like Rex gaining a substantial share of the domestic market here and becoming the new normal when it comes to employment conditions, remuneration and management style?
There are a lot of current and former Rex employees out there and while we all agree that there are some amazing people that work there and we all want to see our friends and colleagues in continued employment, do we want to see an entity like Rex become the new normal for airline standards here in Australia?
Let’s have a look at what Rex are.
Rex is a company with a history of bullying and intimidating staff (google “rex bullying”) along with anyone it needs to engage with (such as regional councils or pilot unions, search ‘Rex’ and ‘council’) not to mention it’s disregard for passengers (do a search for Griffith doctor and Rex) to see how arrogant and disengaged management is (not to mention the massive bonuses paid out to the management team this year while staff were stood down and receiving government assistance.)
This is an airline who have threatened 13 times to drop regional routes because they aren’t getting what they want yet have only carried through on this promise 3 times.
This is also an airline whose staff have to take Uber as crew transport and drive themselves in company provided cars to accomodation at regional outports.
This is also an airline who proudly tout how they’re going to pay wages 10% less than Jetstar.
This is an airline who charge $1000 for people to fly one way out in to the country in a 30 year old Saab yet boast about how they’re saving aviation in Australia because they’re offering $29 fares between Sydney and Melbourne. Heart in the country I don’t think so!
This is an airline who constantly cry poor and moan about how hard done by they are when faced with any competition yet have been responsible for the demise of many great regional airlines that used to compete with them. It’s ok for Rex to have a monopoly on a country route and use their larger scale to destroy any competition but they don’t think it’s fair when faced with larger competitors on any other routes.
This is an overseas owned entity who cares not for the travelling public (or its staff) but on its own ego driven agenda and the only people benefiting are a small group of esoteric managers and hangers on.
Rex is an airline that never has anything positive to say and is constantly moaning and being negative about everything around them, so much so that Qantas even have a whole page set up to debunk all of the rubbish and false claims they’re constantly spewing ( https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qa...aims-from-rex/ )
When Virgin were in administration Rex were not shy in sinking the boot into Virgin by slamming the company, it’s management and it’s staff in the hope it wouldn’t survive. I can guarantee there was absolutely no care from Rex for the thousands of employees that would of been out of work if Virgin hadn’t been saved.
Rex rolled the dice big time when Virgin went into administration and they lost when it was saved.
No company or Airline is perfect and all have their drawbacks, but is Rex the sort of airline we really want to see gain a substantial foothold in Australia?
Last edited by Bull_Shark; 13th Dec 2021 at 05:48.
I’ll never forget all those media interviews,... ‘we’re gonna strip all those Pilots from all those entitlements they have built up over the years’...’10% below Jetstar’.
I have no time for operations like this and I really don’t think many who work there do either. Get the hours and get the heck out of the place.
If Virgin collapsed they would have destroyed this profession and it’s entitlements we have built up over time. They are currently paying Captains what I earned 17 years ago. Disgrace.
I have no time for operations like this and I really don’t think many who work there do either. Get the hours and get the heck out of the place.
If Virgin collapsed they would have destroyed this profession and it’s entitlements we have built up over time. They are currently paying Captains what I earned 17 years ago. Disgrace.
I often hear this argument that just because Rex are employing pilots it must be good and we should all rejoice.
But do we really want a company like Rex gaining a substantial share of the domestic market here and becoming the new normal when it comes to employment conditions, remuneration and management style?
There are a lot of current and former Rex employees out there and while we all agree that there are some amazing people that work there and we all want to see our friends and colleagues in continued employment, do we want to see an entity like Rex become the new normal for airline standards here in Australia?
Let’s have a look at what Rex are.
Rex is a company with a history of bullying and intimidating staff (google “rex bullying”) along with anyone it needs to engage with (such as regional councils or pilot unions, search ‘Rex’ and ‘council’) not to mention it’s disregard for passengers (do a search for Griffith doctor and Rex) to see how arrogant and disengaged management is (not to mention the massive bonuses paid out to the management team this year while staff were stood down and receiving government assistance.)
This is an airline who have threatened 13 times to drop regional routes because they aren’t getting what they want yet have only carried through on this promise 3 times.
This is also an airline whose staff have to take Uber as crew transport and drive themselves in company provided cars to accomodation at regional outports.
This is also an airline who proudly tout how they’re going to pay wages 10% less than Jetstar.
This is an airline who charge $1000 for people to fly one way out in to the country in a 30 year old Saab yet boast about how they’re saving aviation in Australia because they’re offering $29 fares between Sydney and Melbourne. Heart in the country I don’t think so!
This is an airline who constantly cry poor and moan about how hard done by they are when faced with any competition yet have been responsible for the demise of many great regional airlines that used to compete with them. It’s ok for Rex to have a monopoly on a country route and use their larger scale to destroy any competition but they don’t think it’s fair when faced with larger competitors on any other routes.
This is an overseas owned entity who cares not for the travelling public (or its staff) but on its own ego driven agenda and the only people benefiting are a small group of esoteric managers and hangers on.
Rex is an airline that never has anything positive to say and is constantly moaning and being negative about everything around them, so much so that Qantas even have a whole page set up to debunk all of the rubbish and false claims they’re constantly spewing ( https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qa...aims-from-rex/ )
When Virgin were in administration Rex were not shy in sinking the boot into Virgin by slamming the company, it’s management and it’s staff in the hope it wouldn’t survive. I can guarantee there was absolutely no care from Rex for the thousands of employees that would of been out of work if Virgin hadn’t been saved.
Rex rolled the dice big time when Virgin went into administration and they lost when it was saved.
No company or Airline is perfect and all have their drawbacks, but is Rex the sort of airline we really want to see gain a substantial foothold in Australia?
But do we really want a company like Rex gaining a substantial share of the domestic market here and becoming the new normal when it comes to employment conditions, remuneration and management style?
There are a lot of current and former Rex employees out there and while we all agree that there are some amazing people that work there and we all want to see our friends and colleagues in continued employment, do we want to see an entity like Rex become the new normal for airline standards here in Australia?
Let’s have a look at what Rex are.
Rex is a company with a history of bullying and intimidating staff (google “rex bullying”) along with anyone it needs to engage with (such as regional councils or pilot unions, search ‘Rex’ and ‘council’) not to mention it’s disregard for passengers (do a search for Griffith doctor and Rex) to see how arrogant and disengaged management is (not to mention the massive bonuses paid out to the management team this year while staff were stood down and receiving government assistance.)
This is an airline who have threatened 13 times to drop regional routes because they aren’t getting what they want yet have only carried through on this promise 3 times.
This is also an airline whose staff have to take Uber as crew transport and drive themselves in company provided cars to accomodation at regional outports.
This is also an airline who proudly tout how they’re going to pay wages 10% less than Jetstar.
This is an airline who charge $1000 for people to fly one way out in to the country in a 30 year old Saab yet boast about how they’re saving aviation in Australia because they’re offering $29 fares between Sydney and Melbourne. Heart in the country I don’t think so!
This is an airline who constantly cry poor and moan about how hard done by they are when faced with any competition yet have been responsible for the demise of many great regional airlines that used to compete with them. It’s ok for Rex to have a monopoly on a country route and use their larger scale to destroy any competition but they don’t think it’s fair when faced with larger competitors on any other routes.
This is an overseas owned entity who cares not for the travelling public (or its staff) but on its own ego driven agenda and the only people benefiting are a small group of esoteric managers and hangers on.
Rex is an airline that never has anything positive to say and is constantly moaning and being negative about everything around them, so much so that Qantas even have a whole page set up to debunk all of the rubbish and false claims they’re constantly spewing ( https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/qa...aims-from-rex/ )
When Virgin were in administration Rex were not shy in sinking the boot into Virgin by slamming the company, it’s management and it’s staff in the hope it wouldn’t survive. I can guarantee there was absolutely no care from Rex for the thousands of employees that would of been out of work if Virgin hadn’t been saved.
Rex rolled the dice big time when Virgin went into administration and they lost when it was saved.
No company or Airline is perfect and all have their drawbacks, but is Rex the sort of airline we really want to see gain a substantial foothold in Australia?
What will JS do when Mascot goes back to normal from tomorrow?! International is open and there will be a steady increase towards 2019 over the next few weeks. Rex do not have slots for their 737s at all. JS has already commenced the process on taking VA on for holding onto slots. To me VA should be able to hold on as they will grow.
I wish I did make up the numbers. Remember the early Tiger days? Sure wasn’t the below which is what is happening out there today.
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It’s a dead duck.
No Idea Either - no not just trolling. Just wanting papajoe to answer the question put to him 3 times. Not sure how that is considered trolling??!!! If you want to quote figures, substantiate them, particularly if challenged on the veracity of said figures.
Now he's answered it without actually answering it - he's now quoted more figures, again unsubstantiated, with no source given - well, except to see it's not hard to find out, just search.
Well here's what I put in google 1. Australian aircraft domestic passenger load figures - I got nothing
2. How many domestic passengers did Rex carry today - again, I got nothing, except one article in the Fin Review quoting 2 low figures from an "Industry Source." Now being a bonehead journalist, I'd say his source was PPRUNE and papajoe.
I don't think my google searches could have been more direct.
So until Papajoe provides a source, go on, I dare you, then I will contend he is making them up.
Now he's answered it without actually answering it - he's now quoted more figures, again unsubstantiated, with no source given - well, except to see it's not hard to find out, just search.
Well here's what I put in google 1. Australian aircraft domestic passenger load figures - I got nothing
2. How many domestic passengers did Rex carry today - again, I got nothing, except one article in the Fin Review quoting 2 low figures from an "Industry Source." Now being a bonehead journalist, I'd say his source was PPRUNE and papajoe.
I don't think my google searches could have been more direct.
So until Papajoe provides a source, go on, I dare you, then I will contend he is making them up.
No Idea Either - no not just trolling. Just wanting papajoe to answer the question put to him 3 times. Not sure how that is considered trolling??!!! If you want to quote figures, substantiate them, particularly if challenged on the veracity of said figures.
Now he's answered it without actually answering it - he's now quoted more figures, again unsubstantiated, with no source given - well, except to see it's not hard to find out, just search.
Well here's what I put in google 1. Australian aircraft domestic passenger load figures - I got nothing
2. How many domestic passengers did Rex carry today - again, I got nothing, except one article in the Fin Review quoting 2 low figures from an "Industry Source." Now being a bonehead journalist, I'd say his source was PPRUNE and papajoe.
I don't think my google searches could have been more direct.
So until Papajoe provides a source, go on, I dare you, then I will contend he is making them up.
Now he's answered it without actually answering it - he's now quoted more figures, again unsubstantiated, with no source given - well, except to see it's not hard to find out, just search.
Well here's what I put in google 1. Australian aircraft domestic passenger load figures - I got nothing
2. How many domestic passengers did Rex carry today - again, I got nothing, except one article in the Fin Review quoting 2 low figures from an "Industry Source." Now being a bonehead journalist, I'd say his source was PPRUNE and papajoe.
I don't think my google searches could have been more direct.
So until Papajoe provides a source, go on, I dare you, then I will contend he is making them up.
There are a multitude of ways to find out loads. Baggage handler contractors have access, so do airport security, airport ops etc. Not to mention staff from the airline.
I'm guessing if you're googling this stuff you don't understand back of house airline ops.
Pipe down mate it's embarrassing.
No apology at all necessary. But I will thank PappaJoe for finally giving substantiation to his figures. What should I apologise for, I just asked him to substantiate where he got his figures from.
And as for you PinkTutu. No not a fresh faced Rex Cadet at all. Just a 38 year industry veteran seeking clarification of numbers. Does asking someone where he got his numbers from make me a fresh faced cadet??? 38 years and now happily retired. How dare I ask where someone got his numbers from. You D!ckhead.
And as for you PinkTutu. No not a fresh faced Rex Cadet at all. Just a 38 year industry veteran seeking clarification of numbers. Does asking someone where he got his numbers from make me a fresh faced cadet??? 38 years and now happily retired. How dare I ask where someone got his numbers from. You D!ckhead.
No apology at all necessary. But I will thank PappaJoe for finally giving substantiation to his figures. What should I apologise for, I just asked him to substantiate where he got his figures from.
And as for you PinkTutu. No not a fresh faced Rex Cadet at all. Just a 38 year industry veteran seeking clarification of numbers. Does asking someone where he got his numbers from make me a fresh faced cadet??? 38 years and now happily retired. How dare I ask where someone got his numbers from. You D!ckhead.
And as for you PinkTutu. No not a fresh faced Rex Cadet at all. Just a 38 year industry veteran seeking clarification of numbers. Does asking someone where he got his numbers from make me a fresh faced cadet??? 38 years and now happily retired. How dare I ask where someone got his numbers from. You D!ckhead.
I don’t have a dog in this fight but aren’t the allocated seats shown in these websites simply the seats for which an additional fee has been paid? Many punters elect to save money and will sit wherever allocated just prior to departure.
The numbers are what the are. If you dive into some numbers today, many more rows of blue seats on some, however some near single digits on others. Extremely volatile sort of loads across the board, no real sign of anything sort of levelling out yet.
Last edited by PoppaJo; 15th Dec 2021 at 03:14.