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REX to transition to ATRs, start domestic jet ops

Old 28th Aug 2020, 03:24
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This is the 3rd paragraph.
As previously reported, the aircraft themselves will come from Virgin Australia’s leased fleet and are being sourced through a former Virgin lessor which now finds itself on the long list of creditors owned almost $7 billion by the collapsed airline.Many of Virgin’s Boeing 737 pilots, flight attendants and engineers who face redundancy in the downsized airline are believed to be on Rex’s call sheet, including those previously attached to Virgin’s now-closed New Zealand base.

One door closes one door opens. It feels like they are taking over the tiger market. Four airlines doing the triangle. Interesting aviation year coming up.

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 03:34
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Good luck to them they will need it. Guess they have all those Mullins from the gov now to get it off the ground.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 03:52
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I think I'd ask for my salary in advance!
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 04:00
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So what does REX have to offer that can’t be offered cheaper, better and more affiliated than QF and VA2?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 04:44
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So what does REX have to offer that can’t be offered cheaper, better and more affiliated than QF and VA2?
Government backing.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:03
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
So what does REX have to offer that can’t be offered cheaper, better and more affiliated than QF and VA2?
If it is ‘full service’ as they have suggested it would be, I actually can’t see QF or VA being able to do it cheaper than Rex.

You would have to think they would have got a very good price on the aircraft, the pilot EA will be no more than the award, the cabin crew rates won’t be much more than what they pay on the Saab, and they already have infrastructure and ground support in ML and SY.

This will be a pretty lean outfit when it gets going....as to whether or not they can tap into the market without any FF flyer program of significance, any international connections or partners, and not much of an onward domestic network, that all remains to be answered.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:39
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There is 3000-3500 seats Tiger was filling daily ML-SY. That market share will return eventually. Plus it’s regional connectivity.

Jetstar will probably move it’s Melbourne/Sydney run to Western Sydney also which will further boost any corporate traffic on the route.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 02:16
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
So what does REX have to offer that can’t be offered cheaper, better and more affiliated than QF and VA2?
Well you wont have $300k Captains and $200k Engineers to start with, so I'd say a lower cost base.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 03:41
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Well you wont have $300k Captains and $200k Engineers to start with, so I'd say a lower cost base.
They'll be paid more or less the same as Saab crew.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 19:47
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And in the current climate that may be achievable. Long enough to get them going.

Let’s see if the required revolving door works for them in the long term..
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 22:23
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They won’t want the union militants standing them up in 5 years time clashing over below industry pay. Which is why they will probably trade up from the Saab and further boost its cadet scheme. So I don’t expect them to fully crew it in the medium to long term with union members from Tiger or Virgin.

For a new startup everyone hired for the launch to get the regulator approvals is usually gone by the third or fourth year anyway.

It will be interesting to see if they take back past employees.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 23:27
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
They won’t want the union militants standing them up in 5 years time clashing over below industry pay. Which is why they will probably trade up from the Saab and further boost its cadet scheme. So I don’t expect them to fully crew it in the medium to long term with union members from Tiger or Virgin.

For a new startup everyone hired for the launch to get the regulator approvals is usually gone by the third or fourth year anyway.

It will be interesting to see if they take back past employees.
Rex in its current form has 90%+ Union membership
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 23:32
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Originally Posted by Arnold E View Post
Well you wont have $300k Captains and $200k Engineers to start with, so I'd say a lower cost base.
200k engineers!,where is that the base pay rate for an engineer?
For an engineer who is even somewhere near the top of the pay system the base is around 50% of that.
Maybe you forget that airlines operate 7 days a week but of course anyone who works at the weekend should not be entitled to any extra for that?...Just asking.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 01:04
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
200k engineers!,where is that the base pay rate for an engineer?
For an engineer who is even somewhere near the top of the pay system the base is around 50% of that.
Maybe you forget that airlines operate 7 days a week but of course anyone who works at the weekend should not be entitled to any extra for that?...Just asking.
I don’t think you’ll find many NB flight crew on a 300k base either Blu.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 03:06
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
They'll be paid more or less the same as Saab crew.
Pretty much I would say at a guess
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 03:12
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
200k engineers!,where is that the base pay rate for an engineer?
For an engineer who is even somewhere near the top of the pay system the base is around 50% of that.
Maybe you forget that airlines operate 7 days a week but of course anyone who works at the weekend should not be entitled to any extra for that?...Just asking.
Who said anything about base and who said anything about shift work not deserving some kind of compensation?
As a matter of interest, how much does a 5 cat get at QANTAS (on 737's). I can remember talking to a Virgin LAME a couple of years ago and he told me he was getting around $200k a year (all up)

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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:04
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Nice to see Rex at least acknowledging the considerable government largesse that they receive.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...31-p55r29.html
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 02:22
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Nice to see Rex at least acknowledging the considerable government largesse that they receive.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...31-p55r29.html
The $62 million in grants effectively completely plugged Rex's revenue shortfall. Had Rex not elected to take a $62 million write down (asset impairment "in anticipation of difficult trading conditions in the next two years") they would have booked a $35 million pre-tax profit, up 40 per cent on the previous year.

From the balance sheet and cash flows it looks like Rex might have used $10 million of their own money to support operations but there's no sign of any increased borrowings to sustain themselves. The COVID-19 Regional Airlines Funding Assistance program was meant to be "a ‘last resort’ option when a range of other strategies to manage an airline’s position have been undertaken." (that's a quote from the published guidelines). So, how do you get $54 million in last resort funding when you haven't pursued first and second resorts?
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 03:32
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Deputy PM saved Rex from bankruptcy Australian Financial Review - 24 May 2020 - 11:09

So, how do you get $54 million in last resort funding when you haven't pursued first and second resorts?
'Mick'- seems, it depends on who does the asking.............????

This AFR article from back on the 24th of May, gave it all a run-

AFR Link: https://www.afr.com/rear-window/deputy-pm-saved-rex-from-bankruptcy-20200524-p54vxa

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Extract:

-Rear Window

Deputy PM saved Rex from bankruptcy

Joe Aston Columnist

May 24, 2020 – 11.09pm

Last week on Squawk Box Asia, Regional Express Holdings chairman Lim Kim Hai tried justifying his recent dance moves on Virgin Australia’s grave in light of Rex’s own precarious standing up until its rescue by the federal government.

By way of refresher, Lim had lambasted Virgin’s “extremely lax and extremely non-courageous” management and its “dysfunctional” board of directors back on May 7, adding that Rex was “probably the most qualified party in Australia to be able to run an airline like Virgin”. No flies on him.

A week later, Rex’s deputy chairman, John Sharp, announced to this newspaper the planned launch of Rex flights between Australian capital cities using 10 new jet aircraft, failing to first inform its own shareholders via the Australian Securities Exchange platform. The new foray, Sharp revealed, will necessitate the issue of $200 million of new Rex shares, a mere 172 per cent of its current $116 million market capitalisation!

CNBC anchor Sri Jegarajah was rightly incredulous. “Mr Lim, with all due respect, you’re calling into question how Virgin Australia was run but Rex was facing bankruptcy in March. How would you characterise your financial health right now and what’s changed since then?”

What’s changed since then is that Rex has been given $67.6 million by Sharp's National Party comrade, Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, a full $53.8 million of that in untied grants, and more than Qantas and Virgin received in Commonwealth relief funding combined. That’s a handout worth 21.3 per cent of Rex’s annual revenues, so the equivalent of giving – not loaning – Virgin $1.2 billion and Qantas $3.8 billion.

Adding insult to injury, McCormack (who is also the Transport Minister and Nationals leader) said on April 2 that “Virgin will also be able to benefit from the $298m package that we put down the other day: $198m for subsidising the 138 routes flown to and from regional centres”. Which was completely false. Virgin did not qualify for a cent of this money.

That same day, McCormack said: “We can’t just pick and select individuals and winners out of this" – words he will be force-fed for the rest of his pitiful career.

Just like Virgin, foreign-owned Rex was going broke. “Even Rex cannot survive the next six months of this global emergency,” its chief operating officer, Neville Howell, pleaded. Even Lim confirmed to CNBC that Rex is only surviving “at least the next six months … thanks to the grant from the government”.

We can’t just pick and select individuals and winners out of this.— Deputy Prime Miinster Michael McCormack

So McCormack told Virgin to find “a market-led solution” but gifted Rex all the cash it needed. Sharp, who just so happens to also be a longstanding National Party official, exalted McCormack’s “meaningful assistance package” designed to “prevent [Rex] from collapsing”. The audacity of the cronyism almost eclipses the cronyism itself.

When Prime Minister Scott Morrison reckoned on April 14, vis-à-vis the aviation sector, that “we haven’t been picking any winners or picking any favourites here”, he cannot have been properly briefed on his deputy’s staggering conduct.

Most galling of all are Rex’s grand (and expensive) growth plans just four weeks after a $67 million taxpayer freebie saved it from bankruptcy. Right now, Rex may be the only airline on earth in expansion mode. The Deputy Prime Muppet emits a resounding silence. Is this what not picking winners looks like?
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 03:49
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S28, yes, I remember reading that article. You get the impression that Joe Aston may not be a fan of the whole McCormack-Rex tie-up, probably with some justification.
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