QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
Can't see them selling much more than they already have. The A380s will have no buyers apart from parts breakers, who do not pay a premium and will have too much supply for the next few years anyway. A330s have been oversupplied for the last couple of years, and with AA retiring the type, should be even moreso. Potential upside now that the freighter market is running hot and the conversions are getting out there, but that doesn't make the market much better. Besides, with no debt or lease payments on most of the A330 fleet, plus being able to carry a little freight, they will be cheaper to run than 787s on longer domestic and Asia runs, once the latter gets up and running.
26,000 Australians registered to return to Australia.
PM has announced his goal is to get them home by Christmas.
14 weeks till Christmas.
Could be a busy end to the year. Hope the training department is ready to go.
PM has announced his goal is to get them home by Christmas.
14 weeks till Christmas.
Could be a busy end to the year. Hope the training department is ready to go.
That's 1860 per week, just over 6 B787s or one flight per day assuming they're full, obviously more required if social distancing is employed onboard. Number are limited by quarantine capacity on arrival but should be manageable if spread countrywide.
The only fix is fixing the quarantine problem, then allow all airlines flying in at least an 80% load factor and problem solved.
Far to easy and doesn’t have the headline QF saves the day. Don't get me wrong I’m all for QF flying, many mates there, I just don’t fall for the political bull****e.
Many more ways to solve the problem!
The entire value of the A380 Fleet including parts and spares has been written off. It’s not coming back.
The ex head of Training and Checking on the Project last night spelled it out clearly.
It’s not ever coming back.
If Joyce and company hadn’t spend billions buying back shares at the top of the market then perhaps there would be some money to do something with to replace them cheaply. Unlikely given the epic debt levels Qantas are now saddled with.
Noticed Joyce was awarded with plenty of share options at the AGM.
Anyone else get any? Or just a stand down letter?
The ex head of Training and Checking on the Project last night spelled it out clearly.
It’s not ever coming back.
If Joyce and company hadn’t spend billions buying back shares at the top of the market then perhaps there would be some money to do something with to replace them cheaply. Unlikely given the epic debt levels Qantas are now saddled with.
Noticed Joyce was awarded with plenty of share options at the AGM.
Anyone else get any? Or just a stand down letter?
Either way, I'm sure I've done my last 380 takeoff and landing…..
As for the rest. Yes; the AGM only served to amplify the lack of leadership from senior management.
It amuses me that those touting the 'wonderful' culture of the Virgin staff are the same one's who now declare that Scurrah was too close to the unions and thus the staff and he had to go. You cant have both a CEO who has a poor, adversarial relationship with his staff and an excellent service culture from those same staff.
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The cost alone to reactive after sitting idle for 4-5 years would be eye watering. All for, what, one last final run to 2030, perhaps 5 years?
They will be parted out. Certainly is many upsides to throwing away the keys. Those engineering bills in the last 5 years of this decade can now be avoided.
They are even parting out 07/08 build A320s at the moment. Alaska are returning it’s Virgin America machines early for coke cans.
They will be parted out. Certainly is many upsides to throwing away the keys. Those engineering bills in the last 5 years of this decade can now be avoided.
They are even parting out 07/08 build A320s at the moment. Alaska are returning it’s Virgin America machines early for coke cans.
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If the demand returns by 2023/24, the A380s will return. If demand doesn’t the jets won’t. None of us know the answer to that- including Joyce.
The real question is over what to do with the A380 crew in the interim.
The real question is over what to do with the A380 crew in the interim.
From what I understand, AJ doesn’t really appreciate the resources required to re activate an aircraft such as the A380 after long term storage. The costs associated with pilot training as well. How many current A380 crew will still be there in three years? Getting the trainers back up to speed?
Thats just the Flight Ops side of things!
If the thing isn’t planned back by the end of next year well just forget about it!
Wish it was different though.
I wonder if the new roof at Longreach can be jacked up a little?
Thats just the Flight Ops side of things!
If the thing isn’t planned back by the end of next year well just forget about it!
Wish it was different though.
I wonder if the new roof at Longreach can be jacked up a little?
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There’s a plan being looked at for currency issues and the consequences of crew being uncurrent for periods exceeding 12 months is starting to be pushed up the chain. I’m not sure there will be much movement on this before the new year but it is being looked at. The bones are there already, it just needs fleshing out a bit more. I suspect once the trigger is pulled on VR (or not) they’ll start turning their minds to such things.
Gday Keg.
Notwithstanding what you said, and quite understandable the plan as well, but if I may play the devils advocate. What would CASA say in three years time when QF wants to re activate the A380’s?
AJ would no doubt approve some sort of currency training for the long term but would CASA be happy with that in three years time?
Notwithstanding what you said, and quite understandable the plan as well, but if I may play the devils advocate. What would CASA say in three years time when QF wants to re activate the A380’s?
AJ would no doubt approve some sort of currency training for the long term but would CASA be happy with that in three years time?
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Gday Keg.
Notwithstanding what you said, and quite understandable the plan as well, but if I may play the devils advocate. What would CASA say in three years time when QF wants to re activate the A380’s?
AJ would no doubt approve some sort of currency training for the long term but would CASA be happy with that in three years time?
Notwithstanding what you said, and quite understandable the plan as well, but if I may play the devils advocate. What would CASA say in three years time when QF wants to re activate the A380’s?
AJ would no doubt approve some sort of currency training for the long term but would CASA be happy with that in three years time?
Wouldn't it be approached in the same way as a new fleet introduction like we have done in the past? The fact that there is crew that are endorsed and under a five year period is just a bonus from totally starting from scratch.
I agree.
When we introduced the A330 many trainers did sectors with other carriers. They came back, flew the initial sectors then slowly introduced line crew.
This time how will they do it? I doubt CASA will be happy if QF want to run some sims and then throw the crew on revenue line sectors? Perhaps getting trainers on the 330 for a while? I don’t know just a question on what issues may arise.
Nonetheless just one of many issues from re activating aircraft from long term storage. If they want to that is? What if they eventually order standard A350-1000’s as part of ‘Sunrise’. Probably Airbus will throw in training and CASA will be happy with initial line sectors on the A330?
Cheaper than bringing back the A380’s?
Who knows?
When we introduced the A330 many trainers did sectors with other carriers. They came back, flew the initial sectors then slowly introduced line crew.
This time how will they do it? I doubt CASA will be happy if QF want to run some sims and then throw the crew on revenue line sectors? Perhaps getting trainers on the 330 for a while? I don’t know just a question on what issues may arise.
Nonetheless just one of many issues from re activating aircraft from long term storage. If they want to that is? What if they eventually order standard A350-1000’s as part of ‘Sunrise’. Probably Airbus will throw in training and CASA will be happy with initial line sectors on the A330?
Cheaper than bringing back the A380’s?
Who knows?
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This isn’t a new aircraft type. It’s an aircraft that Qantas has a decade of experience operating and that all the trainers have a fair bit of experience on. A proper sim currency program (both ongoing as well as slightly more ramped up/ directed as return to service approaches) should get the trainers up to speed again.
Then, when (if?) it comes time to re-activate the A380s they will likely I fly them across the hill from MHV to LAX first- not sure if they can do gear swings in MHV or whether the jet will need some hangar time to do that. That gives you anywhere between 6 or 9 sectors (depending on how many aircraft you’re getting out of storage at any one time) to get some trainers current in the jet. Then you have a similar number of sectors getting the jet(s) back to SYD (with or without pax) which takes care of more trainers. Perhaps some SYD-MEL-SYD stuff to get some more sectors into line crew and then we’ve got enough critical mass to get up and going.
Yes, an order for A350s in the interim certainly muddies the waters regarding the A380 return. I guess we’ll wait and see on that one.
The more critical of the issue is going to be more about what does the sim recurrent training program (both the interim and the return to service) look like more than the actual sectors in the jet. No doubt the line trainers will be bloody busy in those first couple of months.
Then, when (if?) it comes time to re-activate the A380s they will likely I fly them across the hill from MHV to LAX first- not sure if they can do gear swings in MHV or whether the jet will need some hangar time to do that. That gives you anywhere between 6 or 9 sectors (depending on how many aircraft you’re getting out of storage at any one time) to get some trainers current in the jet. Then you have a similar number of sectors getting the jet(s) back to SYD (with or without pax) which takes care of more trainers. Perhaps some SYD-MEL-SYD stuff to get some more sectors into line crew and then we’ve got enough critical mass to get up and going.
Yes, an order for A350s in the interim certainly muddies the waters regarding the A380 return. I guess we’ll wait and see on that one.
The more critical of the issue is going to be more about what does the sim recurrent training program (both the interim and the return to service) look like more than the actual sectors in the jet. No doubt the line trainers will be bloody busy in those first couple of months.