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Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.
If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.
Think wisely.
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
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That's funny. The Q list doesn't show birthdays to me! I'm not sure if you have lost it, or if you are trying to scaremonger yourself.
Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.
If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.
Think wisely.
Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.
If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.
Think wisely.
If you were as worried as you sound, you'd be listening to (and believing) every word of Saint TLS on the webinar that's happening right now no..?
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Good on you champ. Feel better?
I suspect this is because Normanton isn't actually part of the group they are claiming to be.
Tino has said from day one if anybody is made compulsorily redundant then it is a failing on his behalf. There isn't going to be CR. They are merely trying to bluff pilots fearful of it into taking LWOP. Once again Management are merely promoting fear so that they can have their cake and eat it to.
Normanton, 500 Junior pilots take LWOP. According to you, then x number of senior pilots will be made CR. That is at 2 years payout for them vs the 6 months for those junior pilots. If the Company is going to run CR, it hasn't saved itself money, it has just cost itself a fortune.
Stop being bluffed into the LWOP falsity.
Tino has said from day one if anybody is made compulsorily redundant then it is a failing on his behalf. There isn't going to be CR. They are merely trying to bluff pilots fearful of it into taking LWOP. Once again Management are merely promoting fear so that they can have their cake and eat it to.
Normanton, 500 Junior pilots take LWOP. According to you, then x number of senior pilots will be made CR. That is at 2 years payout for them vs the 6 months for those junior pilots. If the Company is going to run CR, it hasn't saved itself money, it has just cost itself a fortune.
Stop being bluffed into the LWOP falsity.
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What a surprise some free (& unqualified) psych type advice
The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer
This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you
But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them
Nice day & out & over from me
(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer
This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you
But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them
Nice day & out & over from me
(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ
Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"
Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team
So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality
QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia
Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
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Normanton, 500 Junior pilots take LWOP. According to you, then the x number of senior pilots will be made CR. That is at 2 years payout for them vs the 6 months for those junior pilots. If the Company is going too run CR, it hasn't saved itself money, it has juts cost itself a fortune.
Stop being bluffed into the LWOP falsity.
Have a great day!
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What a surprise some free (& unqualified) psych type advice
The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer
This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you
But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them
Nice day & out & over from me
(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer
This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you
But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them
Nice day & out & over from me
(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
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Well quick - you better run to the shareholders and tell them the company has devised a plan that is going to cost them 3 times more than if they let it play out as per normal, as opposed to Tino's mantra of finding all the cost savings they can.
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Tino’s tactics are just so obvious.
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There is always two sides to the story. What is best for one person isn't best for the other. This game is run on seniority and in the dire situation the world is currently in, junior crew will need to do whats best for the future.
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I guess by the time we find out it will be too late.
There is always two sides to the story. What is best for one person isn't best for the other. This game is run on seniority and in the dire situation the world is currently in, junior crew will need to do whats best for the future.
There is always two sides to the story. What is best for one person isn't best for the other. This game is run on seniority and in the dire situation the world is currently in, junior crew will need to do whats best for the future.
Geeze everyone better take it then because what if everyone else takes it.....don’t want to be the only one left not on LWOP. Hang on......isn’t that want Tino wants?
Also straight from Tino is that VR/CR deals with the long term surplus whereas the standown /LWOP deals with the short term issues.
So my not-so-confident interpretation would be that CR won’t be used to balance a lack of LWOP applications. Rather should an additional long term surplus eventuate, say the retirement of the 380, then the process would start again - including the need to make CR a last resort with presumably another round of VR/LWOP offers.
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So my not-so-confident interpretation would be that CR won’t be used to balance a lack of LWOP applications. Rather should an additional long term surplus eventuate, say the retirement of the 380, then the process would start again - including the need to make CR a last resort with presumably another round of VR/LWOP offers.
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So you think Aug 7 is a hard line in the sand for the remainder of this crisis? It’s take LWOP before Aug 7 because after that the company will start making CR as per the EA (with associated costs) with no second chance/offer for LWOP (which is cost zero for them)????
Geeze everyone better take it then because what if everyone else takes it.....don’t want to be the only one left not on LWOP. Hang on......isn’t that want Tino wants?
Geeze everyone better take it then because what if everyone else takes it.....don’t want to be the only one left not on LWOP. Hang on......isn’t that want Tino wants?
I suggest you listen to some webinars as it's been clearly explained multiple times how in the current situation LWOP will not affect the VR/CR numbers.
What you fail to understand is if the company says "we have a further surplus of xxx pilots". That's exactly that, a SURPLUS. LWOP will not save you. If it's a SURPLUS, it's a SURPLUS. The company needs to remove heads.
I suggest you listen to some webinars as it's been clearly explained multiple times how in the current situation LWOP will not affect the VR/CR numbers.
I suggest you listen to some webinars as it's been clearly explained multiple times how in the current situation LWOP will not affect the VR/CR numbers.
However if you’re on LWOP you will be passed over. If it looks like you may be in trouble when you come back, you can extend until such time as you can return.
You will also return before those who stuck around, got CRd and are on the retrenchment list awaiting a pineapple from the uni graduate A team in HR.
If you are reemployed after retrenchment you will return to your original seniority position. However if someone who was junior to you on LWOP returned and gained a higher category/promotion blocking you from upwards movement - your CR payment may be a pittance in the years of lost earnings. It would suck being senior to the FO that you’re now an SO too or worse - captain.
I’d rather roll the dice and take LWOP.
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What you fail to understand is if the company says "we have a further surplus of xxx pilots". That's exactly that, a SURPLUS. LWOP will not save you. If it's a SURPLUS, it's a SURPLUS. The company needs to remove heads.
I suggest you listen to some webinars as it's been clearly explained multiple times how in the current situation LWOP will not affect the VR/CR numbers.
I suggest you listen to some webinars as it's been clearly explained multiple times how in the current situation LWOP will not affect the VR/CR numbers.