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Old 14th Jul 2020, 21:13
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Well the company is doing a good job scaring the wits out of everyone? Especially the junior ones.
Look at the posts here?
In the current climate it’s inexcusable!
Re Mig3’s post for the most factual information for those junior!
Focus on the light at the end of the tunnel. Everyday is one step closer.
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 21:42
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The company will push SLWOP/LWOP before they move to CR......it makes economic sense.....saves spending their cash reserves. So the juniors should not be panicking at all. Remember on this forum there is a lot of “self-interest” postings...it’s actually quite easy to work out who they are, based on what and how often they post! AIPA is still working for the benefit of all pilots regardless of seniority or what LH/SH they are in. No time to panic!!!
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Old 14th Jul 2020, 21:50
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I would also argue the ones advocating to sit on their hands are probably at risk without the buffer below if it got down to it.

The reality is, there won’t be international flying for quite some time. LWOP will give some certainty and allow you to gain other employment while awaiting the return to flying. It’s also extendable. So if things are looking bad approaching your return date, you simply extend it.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 00:47
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A recent Deloitte report suggests domestic travel volumes will not return to 2019 levels until 2023. Thats domestic. International is worse.
Available here
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/202...ry-until-2023/

Some very negative consumer sentiment graphs, with the last data point being 27 June. At that date, 20% of population surveyed felt safe flying. Nothing good has happened since 27 June.

Airline management will be closely looking at this (and similar) reports.

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Old 15th Jul 2020, 00:52
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Blueskymine, you know ‘sit on your hands’ doesn’t mean forever? It just means that no one needs to jump immediately to LWOP until we have more information about how effective VR has been. By all means consider it as a possibility down the track but for the moment? Until the results of VR are known? There’s no decision yet to be made so don’t make it!
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 01:20
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For goodness sake the lords of PPRuNe and the seniority lists urging people to "hang in there" , easy to do when your position is highly likely safe
or putting forward the view "it's all a big bluff" or "call AIPA - they have all wisdom & knowledge"

The deadline for LWOP is less than 4 weeks away so you won't get to do an analysis of VR before making a decision

Assume this LWOP window is the only one you will get

Or "hang in there" continue to accrue your ever so precious entitlements (its all about the entitlements !) then get a larger payout when CR does fall on
your low seniority number. So you walk out the door with more annual leave dollars , more long service leave dollars and the 3 months CR payout dollars , and the
3 or 4 weeks for each year of service & be proud that you didn't give an inch of your "entitlements". But also understand that you will only be re-employed when QF
opens employment and that will likely be ten years away



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Old 15th Jul 2020, 01:21
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I wonder if Deloittes showed those graphics to the bidders for VA.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 01:46
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Keg, as a few people have suggested, can you actually read the email, look at the applicable dates and tell us how people have time to sit on their hands to see how VR will play out before applying for LWOP.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 01:55
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It’s a big gamble. Don’t take LWOP and have the risk of being made CR, as TLS has said there’s currently a 1500 pilot surplus in international. Although re employment will be done in seniority order, you will lose any seniority accrued and placed on the bottom of the list, behind those who did take LWOP.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 03:34
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JobKeeper review announcement is one week away, next Thursday 23rd. Instead of trying to instil fear on here and in all your little whatsapp group(-think) messages, why don't you go and get a job at Dan Murphy's - then you can apply for (S)LWOP fat, dumb and happy (when that time comes) because you actually have a job to go to. I vehemently disagreed with Keg when it came to our recent EBA but couldn't agree more with what he's saying here. Please just see that people are dumbfounded as to why you'd jump at LWOP immediately. I mean, go for it, or don't - we're just sitting here scratching our heads as to why you'd leap in to a defined LWOP period without knowing anywhere near all the information.

There's a reason the CR provisions are so cumbersome. I've been very critical of AIPA on here but they're saying/doing/supporting all the right things (at the moment) that will help everyone, as long as people don't fly off the rails in the mean time. So sit on your hands!

Also, normanton, the more he/she/they post, the more they give away that they don't actually work for QF: there aren't any QF pilots in their "early twenties".

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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:09
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Also, normanton, the more he/she/they post, the more they give away that they don't actually work for QF: there aren't any QF pilots in their "early twenties".[/QUOTE]


Actually, there’s a fair few. Difficult to tell some apart from the kids who board in their Joey Club costumes.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:35
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Obviously everyone’s financial circumstances and leave balances are different, but taking LWOP and simply relying on an extension to Jobkeeper, plus a bit of casual work (which is getting increasingly hard to find), would be barely enough to keep my young family’s head above water in the long term. By remaining stood down and on the books, at least I can access something as little as 1/4 paid leave which would make a huge difference.

Go out and have a look at the job market for an unskilled Pilot, it’s nasty and competitive, especially when people think you’re just going to leave as soon as QF come calling. Obviously we don’t know when that time will be but jumping straight into LWOP looks like the riskier option if you ask me.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:36
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post

Also, normanton, the more he/she/they post, the more they give away that they don't actually work for QF: there aren't any QF pilots in their "early twenties".
You just lost all credibility.
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:38
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Originally Posted by Cdash View Post
Also, normanton, the more he/she/they post, the more they give away that they don't actually work for QF: there aren't any QF pilots in their "early twenties".

Actually, there’s a fair few. Difficult to tell some apart from the kids who board in their Joey Club costumes.[/QUOTE]

really? Whilst folks consider how bad their career is going/CR you go down this path? Sad and pathetic
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:59
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Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 09:55
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I wonder if Deloittes showed those graphics to the bidders for VA.
I expect the management and Boards of most airlines will have commissioned their own research. Moving planes to the desert and long term restructuring of the workforce are significant undertakings. If they get these calls wrong, they can always say "We acted on the best possible independent research...."
Same for any prospective purchasers of airlines.


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Old 15th Jul 2020, 12:49
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
Honest Q: the thread title is QF group, is the list "put up accidentally" for Qantas or the Qantas Group?

Just find it difficult to believe there'd no-one under 25 within the QF group, even QF Mainline (or whatever it's called these days) would have expected a few young'uns to slip through.

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Old 15th Jul 2020, 20:04
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The reference is to the mainline seniority list. There is no “Qantas Group” list.


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Old 16th Jul 2020, 01:20
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
That's funny. The Q list doesn't show birthdays to me! I'm not sure if you have lost it, or if you are trying to scaremonger yourself.

Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.

If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.

Think wisely.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 01:42
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move

Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ

Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"

Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team

So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality

QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia

Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it

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