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Old 15th Jul 2020, 04:59
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Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
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Old 15th Jul 2020, 09:55
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I wonder if Deloittes showed those graphics to the bidders for VA.
I expect the management and Boards of most airlines will have commissioned their own research. Moving planes to the desert and long term restructuring of the workforce are significant undertakings. If they get these calls wrong, they can always say "We acted on the best possible independent research...."
Same for any prospective purchasers of airlines.


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Old 15th Jul 2020, 12:49
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
Honest Q: the thread title is QF group, is the list "put up accidentally" for Qantas or the Qantas Group?

Just find it difficult to believe there'd no-one under 25 within the QF group, even QF Mainline (or whatever it's called these days) would have expected a few young'uns to slip through.

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Old 15th Jul 2020, 20:04
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The reference is to the mainline seniority list. There is no ďQantas GroupĒ list.


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Old 16th Jul 2020, 01:20
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
Sorry normo, but QF accidentally put up a seniority list yesterday with everyone's birthdays on it - There's no one under 25. Were you just scaremongering again?
That's funny. The Q list doesn't show birthdays to me! I'm not sure if you have lost it, or if you are trying to scaremonger yourself.

Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.

If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.

Think wisely.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 01:42
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Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move

Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ

Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"

Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team

So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality

QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia

Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:10
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move

Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ

Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"

Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team

So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality

QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia

Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Sorry, Iím a bit slow. Who exactly are you mad at?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:14
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Not mad or discontent at anybody , just making a comment about an entitlement culture
But I guess there is a lot of that in Australia these days
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
That's funny. The Q list doesn't show birthdays to me! I'm not sure if you have lost it, or if you are trying to scaremonger yourself.

Anyone who is 25 or younger is potentially looking at a 40 year career at Qantas. My point still stands, and is valid.

If you go to SH after you hit 65, people who are in the 25-30 year age group could be looking at a 40 years plus career.

Think wisely.
Sorry Mr. "Credibility", you were too slow on the uptake. The list is doing the rounds - maybe you could ask some of your "colleagues" for a copy.

If you were as worried as you sound, you'd be listening to (and believing) every word of Saint TLS on the webinar that's happening right now no..?

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move

Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ

Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"

Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team

So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality

QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia

Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it

Good on you champ. Feel better?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:50
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Normanton, you’re not thinking this all the way through.
I suspect this is because Normanton isn't actually part of the group they are claiming to be.

Tino has said from day one if anybody is made compulsorily redundant then it is a failing on his behalf. There isn't going to be CR. They are merely trying to bluff pilots fearful of it into taking LWOP. Once again Management are merely promoting fear so that they can have their cake and eat it to.

Normanton, 500 Junior pilots take LWOP. According to you, then x number of senior pilots will be made CR. That is at 2 years payout for them vs the 6 months for those junior pilots. If the Company is going to run CR, it hasn't saved itself money, it has just cost itself a fortune.

Stop being bluffed into the LWOP falsity.

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:51
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What a surprise some free (& unqualified) psych type advice

The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer

This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you

But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them

Nice day & out & over from me

(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:52
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Do any of the "career" SOs or for that matter career FOs on the 747/A380 still think that was a great career move

Not really so employable on the open market , could have got 737 time or A320 RHS or LHS on last lwop at JQ

Sort of incredible entitlement type attitudes displayed by way to many, "I shall stay in the seat for as long as I see fit - there is nothing the company can do to force me to take promotion"

Really the guy above who boasts about "having done his bit" by taking six years lwop to JQ says it all - it's like he thinks he should be knighted. Where was the hardship ? , didn't you
get a free endorsement on the A320 , probably the most useful endorsement & this part of the world & promotion to RHS and likely LHS. & picked up a fat paycheck. Oh how you suffered & took one for the team

So many living for so long in the QF privilege bubble and so far from reality

QF has been for many decades one of the top five employers in Australia

Yet so much whinging from some of the employees - you really didn't know how good you had it
Certainly up there with one of the most pointless posts i've ever read.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:53
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Originally Posted by mmmbop View Post

Normanton, 500 Junior pilots take LWOP. According to you, then the x number of senior pilots will be made CR. That is at 2 years payout for them vs the 6 months for those junior pilots. If the Company is going too run CR, it hasn't saved itself money, it has juts cost itself a fortune.

Stop being bluffed into the LWOP falsity.
Well that's funny because I'm listening to a webinar right now, and that's exactly what would happen (straight from Tino's mouth).

Have a great day!
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:56
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
What a surprise some free (& unqualified) psych type advice

The reality is that QF have had superb employment conditions for eons & have consistently been rated the
best employer in the country. Loyalty to current & former & those displaced from other qf entities (& found re-employment in other qf companies)
miles beyond any other Australian employer

This isn't the norm, and it is inappropriate & arrogant to simply say "We are the QF boys & that is how we roll. A Qantas pilot does not get made redundant chappy" .
What is happening to the rest of the world is relevant to you, and what is happening to millions of other Australians is relevant & is going to effect you

But you are free to believe your own BS & if I were you I would be saving your smart comments for your next interview, I suspect you might need them

Nice day & out & over from me

(Oh dear me , chappy above is calling the lwop Vs CR a bluff - clearly mmmbop already has applied for lwop)
Sorry, I stand corrected, it's now second to this post.

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Old 16th Jul 2020, 02:59
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Well that's funny because I'm listening to a webinar right now, and that's exactly what would happen (straight from Tino's mouth).

Have a great day!
Well quick - you better run to the shareholders and tell them the company has devised a plan that is going to cost them 3 times more than if they let it play out as per normal, as opposed to Tino's mantra of finding all the cost savings they can.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 03:02
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Well that's funny because I'm listening to a webinar right now, and that's exactly what would happen (straight from Tino's mouth).

Have a great day!
So whatís the magic number that have to take LWOP to avoid CR? Is it 500? Is it 1000? I guess A330 and 787 CPTs better take LWOP just in case everyone below takes it and they find themselves next cab off the rank for CR on Aug 8th.

Tinoís tactics are just so obvious.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 03:07
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So what’s the magic number that have to take LWOP to avoid CR? Is it 500? Is it 1000? I guess A330 and 787 CPTs better take LWOP just in case everyone below takes it and they find themselves next cab off the rank for CR on Aug 8th.

Tino’s tactics are just so obvious.
I guess by the time we find out it will be too late.

There is always two sides to the story. What is best for one person isn't best for the other. This game is run on seniority and in the dire situation the world is currently in, junior crew will need to do whats best for the future.
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 04:10
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I guess by the time we find out it will be too late.

There is always two sides to the story. What is best for one person isn't best for the other. This game is run on seniority and in the dire situation the world is currently in, junior crew will need to do whats best for the future.
So you think Aug 7 is a hard line in the sand for the remainder of this crisis? Itís take LWOP before Aug 7 because after that the company will start making CR as per the EA (with associated costs) with no second chance/offer for LWOP (which is cost zero for them)????

Geeze everyone better take it then because what if everyone else takes it.....donít want to be the only one left not on LWOP. Hang on......isnít that want Tino wants?
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Old 16th Jul 2020, 04:51
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Also straight from Tino is that VR/CR deals with the long term surplus whereas the standown /LWOP deals with the short term issues.

So my not-so-confident interpretation would be that CR wonít be used to balance a lack of LWOP applications. Rather should an additional long term surplus eventuate, say the retirement of the 380, then the process would start again - including the need to make CR a last resort with presumably another round of VR/LWOP offers.

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