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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:19
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Itís okay to be scared. Itís easy to pessimistic, especially when we are effectively in the wilderness right now. Along with hiding behind anonymity. Manifesting personal fears and trying to share and project them onto others.

There is light and green shoots appearing. The last 6 months have gone pretty quickly. The sky hasnít fallen in. We are slowly chipping away and life will go on.

The truth is usually quite boring.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:32
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Fair enough! It just remains to be seen if it pans out that way.
Do you work for QF Xeptu? Are you concerned about CR? I don't see any point to your fear mongering, especially from someone who obviously has no understanding of the EBA.
Thanks, Keg, for enlightening those who rather project their fear onto others than take the time to read our EBA...
For all those on here who don't understand those provisions, ring up AIPA (yes, I'm talking to you ******, even though on Qrewroom you are chucking stones at them even though you are not a member) and discuss your concerns. The truth is out there, definitely not here.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:38
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So Tino getting the boot is Entre.

Standby for a Pineapple for Main Course

Desert is anyoneís guess.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:45
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
So Tino getting the boot is Entre.

Standby for a Pineapple for Main Course

Desert is anyoneís guess.
I agree.

We haven't seen the worst of it yet.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:48
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
Do you work for QF Xeptu? Are you concerned about CR? I don't see any point to your fear mongering, especially from someone who obviously has no understanding of the EBA.
Thanks, Keg, for enlightening those who rather project their fear onto others than take the time to read our EBA...
For all those on here who don't understand those provisions, ring up AIPA (yes, I'm talking to you ******, even though on Qrewroom you are chucking stones at them even though you are not a member) and discuss your concerns. The truth is out there, definitely not here.
As I have previously stated, I don't work for QF, nor am I emotionally invested.
What you see as scaremongering, I see as a valid opinion. If I were doing that in your workplace I would respond in the exact same way as you, seek them out and counsel them.
Here however in PPRuNe, (what the website is designed for) you can say what you really think, slander excluded. For those that don't want to hear that you can choose not to read it.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 02:49
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I assume Tino has offered something that Alan has spat the dummy over.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 03:13
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Bring back TAA !!!
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 03:26
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
I agree.

We haven't seen the worst of it yet.
Poor guy, kiss of death when you start agreeing to things. Read the EA yet? Here's a link.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 03:49
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I wonder how many pages the VA EBA will consist of after Bain get their teeth into it.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 03:53
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Whatís consequence of merging international and domestic ?

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 04:35
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Why isn't Tino just stood down for a few years, collecting only leave entitlements? Hypocrites, when it comes to deciding where to slash costs.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Toruk Macto View Post
Whatís consequence of merging international and domestic ?
they were never separated. That was the plan, they set up the CEO structure for them to be separate, but the split never eventuated. So effectively, theyíve always been merged
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 05:06
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate View Post
they were never separated. That was the plan, they set up the CEO structure for them to be separate, but the split never eventuated. So effectively, theyíve always been merged
At the risk of going down a rabbit hole, I recall that the intention was to fully separate them, then some bright spark realised that having two sets of AOCs and officeholders to run them would just add cost and complexity, and there was other low-hanging fruit in terms of cost savings. My recollection was that, with some legislative changes, they could potentially let the domestic operation go past 51% foreign ownership but keep International under that to protect the route rights.

The big question will be if Andrew David at Domestic falls on his sword too, or if he is converted to a group COO role and continues to hold the AOC. Then you have to wonder who is being lined up as Alan's eventual successor - seems Gareth Evans will now be in pole position until somebody else rises up.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 05:18
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Originally Posted by ebt View Post
At the risk of going down a rabbit hole, I recall that the intention was to fully separate them, then some bright spark realised that having two sets of AOCs and officeholders to run them would just add cost and complexity, and there was other low-hanging fruit in terms of cost savings. My recollection was that, with some legislative changes, they could potentially let the domestic operation go past 51% foreign ownership but keep International under that to protect the route rights.

The big question will be if Andrew David at Domestic falls on his sword too, or if he is converted to a group COO role and continues to hold the AOC. Then you have to wonder who is being lined up as Alan's eventual successor - seems Gareth Evans will now be in pole position until somebody else rises up.
My money is on Liv.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 05:36
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Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post
My money is on Liv.
The way 2020ís working out so far, thereís every chance.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 06:14
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Not trying to alarm anyone but the CR part doesn't state people are returned with years of service preserved (this just isn't mentioned) , just seniority number

Maybe not much attention paid by AIPA as never anticipated it would occur , mistakes happen

Whereas the return after medical medical termination refers specifically to people both returning with seniority number & years of service intact

There is a years of service definition at 35.2 but QF may well just say that is for continuous service not for someone being employed a second time


A major cost of keeping people on stand down who joined from 2016 onwards would be the quite significant pay increases over first 4/5 years

The wages bill for SOs would be up by 30 to 50% by the time things get back to normal in four or five years if all remained on stand down, there is a CR cost paid for
there without even considering various leave accruals(at increasing annual rates), superannuation, the various Govt taxes/charges


Maybe it wasn't all about saving the younger newer joiners , QF have done the numbers & its about saving the bucks

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 06:48
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As a matter of interest how many QF pilots have accepted retirement or VR since the 'crash'.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 07:19
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Originally Posted by ebt View Post
The big question will be if Andrew David at Domestic falls on his sword too, or if he is converted to a group COO role and continues to hold the AOC. Then you have to wonder who is being lined up as Alan's eventual successor - seems Gareth Evans will now be in pole position until somebody else rises up.
The other possibility is that Joyce will hang aroung for quite a while as he lost a big chunk of his wealth when the QF share price tanked - he has so many shares that he would be keen to do everything possible to elevate the share price before he departs. It has nothing to do with his "love/loyalty" for the airline.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 07:22
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Originally Posted by B772 View Post
As a matter of interest how many QF pilots have accepted retirement or VR since the 'crash'.
Not certain about retirements.
188 have applied for VR but as yet no-one has been advised if they were successful. I suspect most will be…..
As for 'Early retirement'. Who knows given the fairly inferior offer (relative to the VR offer).

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 08:03
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Meh, knock the early retirement offer back. 60 pilots on the LHEA aged north of 63 are still gone by 1 Jul 22. Going to accrue less in leave in that time than what is on offer and pay more in tax. Genius idea! Or cross your fingers and hope that the government largesse means youíll be better off if Jobkeeper goes beyond September next year.

Xeptu, will Qantas attempt to cancel the award? I donít know IR law at all so youíre getting a bush lawyer opinion here. Iíd be surprised if it were as Ďeasyí as many make it out to be just to CR people out of seniority and so on. Given the lengths that Qantas has gone to in order to demonstrate to the market how well positioned they are to come out the other side of this, itíd take something very significant (like Qantas going into administration) for an EA cancellation to even be on the table. Thatís so far into the future (north of 18 months) that Iím not going to invest too much energy in even considering it. Letís re-visit that issue in 12 months time.
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