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Old 13th Aug 2020, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Yeah look I understand you're emotionally invested and hanging on to that EBA like it's the ten commandments. I take it this is your first time going through this.

so where do you view it from... Iím having a hard time figuring out what youíre really trying to say ?!!?
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 13:14
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Originally Posted by Autobrakes4 View Post
Can I ask that when people dial into the Webinars that they stop thanking the people (RT AS DA PD etc etc) for their hard work and time. These people are being paid. This is their job. The rest of us are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay. They are being paid to do their job as managers. Stop thanking them. Then TLSP thanks them. For goodness sakes theyíre not the ones who should be thanked, theyíre still being paid. Thank all of us for our patience, the fact that getting zero from Qantas whilst other airlines around the world are paying their employees something.

They are not the heroís we are. Maybe we should rotate the managers so everyone gets a go and gets paid.
Bang on, well said. I havenít dialled in for a long time, thereís no new news, no good news, and nothing worth listening to, so Iíll spend the time being more productive working my shitty casual job and/or continuing the hunt for a better one.

If people stopped dialling in, they could stand some of the corridor crawlers down and save a few SO jobs perhaps, instead of scaring them into LWOP.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Bang on, well said. I havenít dialled in for a long time, thereís no new news, no good news, and nothing worth listening to, so Iíll spend the time being more productive working my shitty casual job and/or continuing the hunt for a better one.

If people stopped dialling in, they could stand some of the corridor crawlers down and save a few SO jobs perhaps, instead of scaring them into LWOP.
Now, thatís straight talking , And spot on the money ! I wish I had an answer for you TxLyr , but I DO understand your frustration
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 21:39
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Bang on, well said. I havenít dialled in for a long time, thereís no new news, no good news, and nothing worth listening to, so Iíll spend the time being more productive working my shitty casual job and/or continuing the hunt for a better one.

If people stopped dialling in, they could stand some of the corridor crawlers down and save a few SO jobs perhaps, instead of scaring them into LWOP.
Well said. Where is the like button?????????
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Bang on, well said. I havenít dialled in for a long time, thereís no new news, no good news, and nothing worth listening to, so Iíll spend the time being more productive working my shitty casual job and/or continuing the hunt for a better one.

If people stopped dialling in, they could stand some of the corridor crawlers down and save a few SO jobs perhaps, instead of scaring them into LWOP.
Bravo 👏
The Dial in, webinars are just a way to threaten you!! itís propaganda designed to be of detriment for pilots.
For your own health stop listening to the spin intended to frighten you and not to help you. The more you listen in the more you empower the threats!!
Here is my suggestion. Tell everyone you know not to listen in, and turn the email propaganda off. Do something useful with your time.
The company webinars and dial ins are not good for your mental health.Flying will return. Vaccines will come. A webinar wonít make a job return or flying resume.


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Old 13th Aug 2020, 22:02
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The bigger reality QF is in worse shape now than you all want to believe sure AJ said we have this cash etc etc. Flying will not start until vaccine is readily available and when that is, is anyoneís guess wonít be this year thatís for sure. Article in The Australian today business section, from discovery of a vaccine to delivery is at least 18 months. Alliance or Network could be the next big Australian airline in a few years when it all slowly returns.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 22:08
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It looks like the lights are coming on. Some pretty good advice there. View it like, if they are not paying you, you have already been made redundant. After a year or two, you'll stop seeing yourself as their employee. In the mean time, things could change for the better, you might get to go back to work or receive some entitlements.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 22:15
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C’mon guys, the webinars are comedy gold! A few mates and I run a pool on how many times someone will say ‘that’s a really good question’ (when it’s clearly not), or how many times a question will be asked about keeping an iPad after VR, etc.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 22:39
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Looks like a Bullshit Bingo scorecard there? The whole webinar thing is bullshit.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 23:31
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Originally Posted by FightDeck View Post
Bravo 👏
The Dial in, webinars are just a way to threaten you!! itís propaganda designed to be of detriment for pilots.
For your own health stop listening to the spin intended to frighten you and not to help you. The more you listen in the more you empower the threats!!
Here is my suggestion. Tell everyone you know not to listen in, and turn the email propaganda off. Do something useful with your time.
The company webinars and dial ins are not good for your mental health.Flying will return. Vaccines will come. A webinar wonít make a job return or flying resume.
This!

Tuning it will not change anything, if you dont need another job just enjoy the time off and get a hobby.

NOBODY knows when flying will resume, when a vaccine will be found, whether the Russians really do already have one etc.

I dont even believe there is a scare campaign at play, rather just a surprisingly large number of pilots looking for snippets to confirm thier own held doomsday theories.

Other than the odd exception this thread is becoming an example of otherwise intelligent people who have too much spare time on thier hands and lacking a purpose outside of thier careers.

I believe this too shall pass, but what I believe is not going to change the course of the ship.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 23:44
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May I ask how long you're willing to remain unpaid enjoying your time off.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 23:53
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
May I ask how long you're willing to remain unpaid enjoying your time off.
Until such time as I think I'll be off for.

If I wasnt able to make the most of the time off, or If I turn out to be wrong, I'd be looking for secondary work.
Eitherway, dwelling on the situation and arguing pessisimt-optimist is not going to change it. That much is a certainty.

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Old 14th Aug 2020, 01:44
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Things are getting really desperate with revenue. They are flogging off Qantas pyjamas on the Qantas store for $25!

https://www.qantasstore.com.au/c/Qan...essories/14-02
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 02:26
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
May I ask how long you're willing to remain unpaid enjoying your time off.
With my partner and I both in the industry, we have been enjoying our time off together in our own house (for a change.) Neither of us have worked since march. I cant believe that it's taken this pandemic to show two thirty year olds that there is more to life than flying and earning $.
​​​Now that I can look back on that it's embarrassing.

But all of that is starting to wear a little thin now. One must eventually earn an income again and that is not proving easy.
All this talk of LWOP etc is one thing but actually finding another job is a whole different matter. All this talk of "transferable pilots skills" to other industries is just corporate buzzword garbage. The reality is that most businesses see pilot on a resume and run a mile. I would strongly suggest that you consider that before making any decisions. (we didn't)
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 02:46
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Agreed that the transferable skills are zero from a marketing of yourself point of view.

Every pilot I know who needed something in the way of work has found something, usually in an entry level causal job or working for themselves doing a variety of non skilled work.

The struggle most had was convincing an employer they were not about to walk straight out the door of thier entry level labouring job as soon as the phone rang from thier airline again - which of course they will.
Cant blame an employer for over looking them in that regard, but persistence paid off in the cases I know of and others went and became thier own boss.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 04:22
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Of the 188 I’m told 150 are Captains, so if that’s correct and 50 are on the 380 the question is will they let them all go or will they limit it to the numbers to crew 6 of them?
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 06:32
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
Things are getting really desperate with revenue. They are flogging off Qantas pyjamas on the Qantas store for $25!

https://www.qantasstore.com.au/c/Qan...essories/14-02
And after a few hours they are sold out. If that exercise has generated some cash, they should keep doing it it.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 11:42
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Qantas donít do a lot of things well, but those pyjamas are pretty damn comfy!
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 11:50
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I like them as well.
but only good for 5 washes
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 12:15
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Would you like to see my pyjamas champ?
It is a warm wash as per the instructions on a medium cycle for 30 minutes.
The paper will be published when pandemic ends.
My peers will then review and more case studies will be provided.
expect an answer in 2025
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