QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages

[Roj approved]

Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE

Covid 19 would be the ideal excuse for Qantas to dramatically increase Network as a B scale to Mainline domestically.

Crew costs cheaper than JQ (both in the cockpit and in the cabin) and able to charge mainline prices. An accountants dream.

Crystal balling, but I’m predicting 20-30 airframes and east coast bases within 3-5 years.

Well the NWK COO has world domination planes and has sold his grandmother multiple times to get higher on the greasy pole.

[brokenagain]

A couple of hundred A320 guys and gals from Tiger looking for a new seat too.

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Fatguyinalittlecoat

Why not? There are heaps of pilots from the ME now looking for a job. Many have made plenty of money and the NW salary would be just fine. The original NW guys who signed up to the rubbish deal in the pursuit of something better in the wrong run however will now have to plan for their whole career being at the reduced remuneration. NW will take over all short haul flying using the A320 family, including JQ. It’s cheaper.

yep, no reason why they couldn’t slap the JQ paint on there and do that too.

Anyone know if the Network folks got a pay bump for flying the A320 or are they doing it on F100 rates?

[Green.Dot]

Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE

Crystal balling, but I’m predicting 20-30 airframes and east coast bases within 3-5 years.

That will need some good spin in the Press Release, I can see it now-

“The A320 has superior airfield performance to the 737 to utilise the short runways found at captial cities on the East Coast, particularly with global warming becoming a bigger consideration each year.”

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Angle of Attack

Also PER-SIN and PER - BNE apparently, and taking over the PER-CNS from Jetstar. After they get the next 10 airframes PER-HBA, PER-MEL-AKL, and also PER - SIN - TPE - NRT. SYD and BNE bases starting within a year.

All these world domination plans.....

.....on aircraft that are JQ’s hand me downs near the end of their service life. Seeing out their days before retirement performing low density FIFO charter in beaten down old aircraft that are apparently going to be used for high density RPT which requires near perfect dispatch reliability.

Now if NW were getting brand new 320s straight off the production line I’d say these theories had some substance, until then it’s all baseless speculation.

[Chad Gates]

Wouldn’t there be a branding issue? There is a reason Network aircraft have LINK painted on the side of them

[Going Boeing]

Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE

Anyone know if the Network folks got a pay bump for flying the A320 or are they doing it on F100 rates?

I was told by an ex Network pilot that they are flying the A320’s for F100 pay - they weren’t organised enough to insist on a higher pay scale.

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by dr dre

All these world domination plans.....

.....on aircraft that are JQ’s hand me downs near the end of their service life. Seeing out their days before retirement performing low density FIFO charter in beaten down old aircraft that are apparently going to be used for high density RPT which requires near perfect dispatch reliability.

Now if NW were getting brand new 320s straight off the production line I’d say these theories had some substance, until then it’s all baseless speculation.

These JQ hand me downs are younger than plenty of QFs 737s (2004/5 builds).

I wouldnt call the speculation completely baseless (albeit still speculation).

First they were just getting 2 A320’s, then 4, now 9.

I think there’s a chance they’ll start flying them on thin interstate routes (PER-ADL/CNS/DRW/CBR) especially during their down time on the weekends and it will grow from there.

Who’s to say they won’t end up with some newer frames in the not too distant future? Only time will tell!

[Keg]

You forget that many of us predicted that every F100 was going to be replaced by an A320. There is nothing new in this strategy.

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Keg

You forget that many of us predicted that every F100 was going to be replaced by an A320. There is nothing new in this strategy.

But are F100s being retired?

my reading was that these are additional airframes, but I could be wrong

[ExtraShot]

Originally Posted by Telfer86

Where this is different is that lwop is a pre-requisite to applying - never occurred before

In the past you could apply , do interview , receive offer , then apply for lwop from your particular QF airline

So this process is something completely new

Not true at all. You merely have to prove the ‘employer’ is willing to offer you lwop. You don’t have to be on it before you apply.

[maggot]

Some good FUD campaign assistance here

good job

[Bankstown]

Originally Posted by Going Boeing

I was told by an ex Network pilot that they are flying the A320’s for F100 pay - they weren’t organised enough to insist on a higher pay scale.

The A320 pilots get a pay increase via an allowance over the EA rate that the F100 guys get paid, so the ex-Network pilot was not correct.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE

But are F100s being retired?

my reading was that these are additional airframes, but I could be wrong

As the F100s age (some are close to 30 years and this was after Fokker went under way back in 96) they’ll fly less and less. Resale ain’t worth much so they’ll remain “on the books” but probably just be used for spares.

[Arthur D]

Nothing like a good thread drift......

How Notwork getting clapped out JQ and JSA A320’s amounts to world domination I fail to understand. As far as I understand, the 4 they have are doing exactly what they said they would do.
Last I checked, WA was going gangbusters with record iron ore prices.

Back to the popcorn and chips....

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Arthur D

Nothing like a good thread drift......

How Notwork getting clapped out JQ and JSA A320’s amounts to world domination I fail to understand. As far as I understand, the 4 they have are doing exactly what they said they would do.
Last I checked, WA was going gangbusters with record iron ore prices.

Back to the popcorn and chips....

to bring it back on thread, the 32 positions at network are 32 less redundancies that would be required from elsewhere in the group. So that’s a positive

[Ragnor]

There must be redundancies fast impending maybe starting with JQ crew with all the town halls scheduled from Wednesday. Guessing an ASX Wednesday morning

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

There must be redundancies fast impending maybe starting with JQ crew with all the town halls scheduled from Wednesday. Guessing an ASX Wednesday morning

someone says that every time there’s a townhall

[Ragnor]

I don’t think there has been 4 in one week organized tho.

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

I don’t think there has been 4 in one week organized tho.

I count 3, but yes, more than usual.

The JQ one being first takes the sting out of that idea I think. If it were an announcement as big as more redundancies it would come straight from AJ at the QF townhall first.

It’s only been 5 weeks since they announced the 6000 redundancies, they have barely scratched the surface of processing those.

I wouldn’t read too much into the pilot dial in, probably just an update on the potential Flexi line arrangements.

since the start of COVID, I count no less that 37 QF/JQ town halls and chief pilot dial ins, it could just so happen that these 3 have fallen in the same week, as they have before.

But as always, I could be wrong.