QF Group possible Redundancy Numbers/Packages
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
No problem swap your 12 months VR with a 14 month Flight attendant payout. It’s not about weeks or months, it’s about the payout, and it’s entirely up to the Company what they offer, anyone saying anything else is full of it. Take it or leave it, it’s pretty bloody simple.
polling had found Qantas needed to offer a base salary figure of closer to 24 months - with 18 months as a minimum - to address its concerns of having surplus pilots.
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They will have no trouble getting enough takers. I predict it will be oversubscribed. As dr Dre says, they had enough when there was flying to be done.
Once those eligible make peace with the fact that it’s not a reflection of what QF think you are worth, and simply a number QF think you will take, they will reflect on the alternative, and take what’s on offer. It’s a no brainer.
Once those eligible make peace with the fact that it’s not a reflection of what QF think you are worth, and simply a number QF think you will take, they will reflect on the alternative, and take what’s on offer. It’s a no brainer.
Nunc est bibendum
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Originally Posted by dr dre
In 2014 the Union thought the Company’s offer was far less than what was needed to entice enough pilots to take it. They were wrong. And that was when there was an option to keep flying and earning a wage for those targeted for VR. Now there’s stand downs:
Pilots not happy with Qantas redundancy offer
Pilots not happy with Qantas redundancy offer
Those over 63.5 will get an offer soon I suspect. An ‘early retirement’ is taxed slightly differently to VR but still better than marginal tax rates- the ATO guidance on this is appalling! Even if the offer was for the leave they accrue between now and 65 and bundled in with their accrued leave (if they have any) they’re still likely to be better off than remaining on stand down between now and 65th birthday.
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So, if you take the 12 month LWOP to avoid being made redundant, what happens if after the 12 months you come back, intl is still dead in the water, and the company a month later makes you redundant “due to new review on impact of the virus” or whatever.. How long does the ‘amnesty’ on redundancy for those who take the LWOP option legally last? Anything other than a legal clarification surely wouldn’t be acceptable to opt into it?
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
So, if you take the 12 month LWOP to avoid being made redundant, what happens if after the 12 months you come back, intl is still dead in the water, and the company a month later makes you redundant “due to new review on impact of the virus” or whatever.. How long does the ‘amnesty’ on redundancy for those who take the LWOP option legally last? Anything other than a legal clarification surely wouldn’t be acceptable to opt into it?
I hope the company is prepared for the onslaught of LWOP applications they are about to receive!
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For the “super junior” in either LH or SH, taking LWOP will protect you from being made redundant. i think the way they have set this up is smart (from the company’s side). They will surely get hundreds of the senior guys to take VR, while at the same time, scaring juniour blokes into taking LWOP to try and not be made compulsorily redundant.
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JK will not last forever KZK. If it’s extended, probably only another 3-6 months. After that standown is standown, ie, no useful work no pay. Bit different here than ENZED I believe. You could be stood-down for three years with no pay, but you will retain your spot in the list and accrue benefits such as annual, long service and personal leave. Still have the curly one of exactly how long can you be stood down.........3 months, 6 months......3 years!!!!! Surely someone would challenge it if it just goes on and on.
Genuine question people........how does the amnesty clause fit in with your EA??
Genuine question people........how does the amnesty clause fit in with your EA??
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
For the “super junior” in either LH or SH, taking LWOP will protect you from being made redundant. i think the way they have set this up is smart (from the company’s side). They will surely get hundreds of the senior guys to take VR, while at the same time, scaring juniour blokes into taking LWOP to try and not be made compulsorily redundant.
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Don't know surfer dude. I think the jury is still out on what happens in seniority when we get to a CR. Not tying to be alarmist, but have they said that they will not use the seniority list for CR? What does a "forecast surplus" mean with regard to CR?
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Ah ok. In a webinair it was touched on, but QF consider LH and SH completely separate for redundancy. The integration agreement just says ‘new hire’ pilots go first in accordance with the Pilots Agreement (ie where the surplus is). I haven’t read the A/Q stuff in great detail but I believe the ‘Y’ starts somewhere around seniority 600....if it gets that far I’d say it’s game over anyway! Of course, I’d expect this to be challenged.
hopefully we never have to find out.
hopefully we never have to find out.
Join Date: Apr 2002
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You have less than 4 weeks to be on LWOP to avoid inclusion in a potential CR:
The win for the company is you no longer accrue leave. I’m still unsure if you can get jobkeeper when on LWOP.
Good luck out there...
- LWOP to commence no later than 7 August 2020;
Good luck out there...
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Originally Posted by ROH111
Are you guys (and girls) saying that:
If you are on LWOP, you can not be made redundant?
If you are on LWOP, you can not be made redundant?
To provide you with further clarity regarding the LWOP offering, I can confirm that we will exercise our discretion to pass over any pilot on LWOP should it become necessary to enact a CR program, subject to the following conditions:
- LWOP application must be submitted on or after 31 March 2020;
- LWOP to commence no later than 7 August 2020;
- LWOP application is for a period greater than 12 months; and
- The pilot is on this period of LWOP at the time that CRs are notified.
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Originally Posted by ROH111
Are you guys (and girls) saying that:
If you are on LWOP, you can not be made redundant?
Upon your return you might be made redundant.... but then you’d just extend your LWOP wouldn’t you?
If you are on LWOP, you can not be made redundant?
Upon your return you might be made redundant.... but then you’d just extend your LWOP wouldn’t you?
Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
Last edited by SandyPalms; 11th Jul 2020 at 02:52.
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The company wants people to stop accruing leave entitlements by forcing us on LWOP. Don't do it and you run the risk of a CR notice landing in your inbox.
This isn't just targeted at the junior crew for what its worth. If the bottom 400 recently hired SO's all take LWOP (and you would be stupid not to take it), guess who they are coming after next.
Its a threat to everyone. Want a future at Qantas? You have 4 weeks to take LWOP.
This isn't just targeted at the junior crew for what its worth. If the bottom 400 recently hired SO's all take LWOP (and you would be stupid not to take it), guess who they are coming after next.
Its a threat to everyone. Want a future at Qantas? You have 4 weeks to take LWOP.
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
More to the point, if they are as unhappy as they portray, they should do the honourable thing and resign.
You don't have to be a naive "yes" man to enjoy your career.
