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Send a thank you card to Dan & the gang who have now botched HQ for a second time & made redundancies a much more real possibility
At the very least put domestic back by six months
You can rest easy that the Vict Govt are now going to ensure that the guest are now made fully informed not to use their nebulisers with an engaging & socially comforting with diversity respected pretty please
At the very least put domestic back by six months
You can rest easy that the Vict Govt are now going to ensure that the guest are now made fully informed not to use their nebulisers with an engaging & socially comforting with diversity respected pretty please
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BA A380 Pilots are on furlough with 80% base pay. Qantas have used this crisis to totally screw their staff, the frustration is there is no ‘plan’ to give people a bit of certain going forward.
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Isnt this the UK Gov's furlough scheme actually paying this, the same as Jobkeeper here. I cant see BA continuing to pay stood down staff once that scheme ends.
It will be interesting to see what happens to QF’s cashflow when jobkeeper ends and a lot of pilots start taking leave.
I don't know if it was the terrible condition of the QF A380 interior that made my two flights on a Q 380 so bad (broken seat back entertainment, power outlets not working, seats that don't recline or recline straight into the lap of person behind you) or the terrible passengers on board. You know, the ones who they keep serving alcohol too even though they are clearly intoxicated?
The Qantas international product had gotten so bad pre covid that I know people who would fly to the USA or UK via just about anywhere to avoid Qantas. AJ should focus more on actually keeping customers than putting out fluffy press releases.
The Qantas international product had gotten so bad pre covid that I know people who would fly to the USA or UK via just about anywhere to avoid Qantas. AJ should focus more on actually keeping customers than putting out fluffy press releases.
Joyce’s comments to media are always pitched with an aim, even to the extent of disinformation - they are rarely truthful. Therefore the conclusions in that article can’t be believed.
There’s no doubt that keeping the possibility of the A380’s returning to service allows the airline to keep the A380 pilots stood down indefinitely without triggering the RIN process, as detailed in the award.
There’s no doubt that keeping the possibility of the A380’s returning to service allows the airline to keep the A380 pilots stood down indefinitely without triggering the RIN process, as detailed in the award.
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Beyond the international borders opening the decision to not fly the 380 becomes a commercial decision and therefor a surplus of numbers on that fleet to be actioned as such. That is also in the award. Don't be fooled the company is seeking a variation to min guarantee due to kindness to get others back in seats.
They know dam well they won't be able to keep crews stood down for an excessive period of time so probably have concluded its better to pay them less on a variation on other fleets than to pay full 380 MGH to stay at home and do nothing. Which makes sense.
They know dam well they won't be able to keep crews stood down for an excessive period of time so probably have concluded its better to pay them less on a variation on other fleets than to pay full 380 MGH to stay at home and do nothing. Which makes sense.
That’s not how IR law works - can’t be stood down indefinitely- when the border opens up QF know they have to stand everybody up. They may choose to make some redundant, but stand them up they will...
Beyond the international borders opening the decision to not fly the 380 becomes a commercial decision and therefor a surplus of numbers on that fleet to be actioned as such. That is also in the award. Don't be fooled the company is seeking a variation to min guarantee due to kindness to get others back in seats.
They know dam well they won't be able to keep crews stood down for an excessive period of time so probably have concluded its better to pay them less on a variation on other fleets than to pay full 380 MGH to stay at home and do nothing. Which makes sense.
They know dam well they won't be able to keep crews stood down for an excessive period of time so probably have concluded its better to pay them less on a variation on other fleets than to pay full 380 MGH to stay at home and do nothing. Which makes sense.
Nunc est bibendum
Define ‘pretty soon’? When do you expect all border restrictions to be lifted?
QF is preparing to fly to many destinations before all restrictions are lifted. I’m not sure that helps the A380 drivers in the short term.
The real question re EA variations is whether you can convince A330 F/Os to accommodate an extra 80 A380 F/Os onto their type (about an extra 1/3 of the establishment) in return for 1/3 reduced MGH. A big ask!
That said, my gut tells me that the A380’s return would be only about 6 months after the A330 and 787 fleets are fully back. Cheaper to just pay the A380 crew for those 6 months that train them across and then back again.
QF is preparing to fly to many destinations before all restrictions are lifted. I’m not sure that helps the A380 drivers in the short term.
The real question re EA variations is whether you can convince A330 F/Os to accommodate an extra 80 A380 F/Os onto their type (about an extra 1/3 of the establishment) in return for 1/3 reduced MGH. A big ask!
That said, my gut tells me that the A380’s return would be only about 6 months after the A330 and 787 fleets are fully back. Cheaper to just pay the A380 crew for those 6 months that train them across and then back again.
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The Fair Work Ombudsman has stated this:
Employers may be able to stand their employees down during the coronavirus outbreak for various reasons, including when there's a stoppage of work due to lack of supply for which the employer can't be held responsible.
I'm not saying this is how is should be. But this is what the powers that be are are saying. Management could change their mind and choose to stand up crew before there is useful work for all, but that's their decision to make. The ALAEA took management to the Federal Court over stand downs and lost, the Court finding stand downs were enacted due to the collapse in passenger travel and concern that the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic would be sustained, in addition to movement restrictions.
Then when the border is opened it won't be fully open like in January 2020 immediately. There'll be restrictions on entry from some countries, vaccination requirements, possible isolation and testing requirements etc for several years that will be argued are preventing useful work outside of the company's control.
The new AIPA will probably challenge stand downs legally again, will they be successful? I wouldn't put my money on it.
Define ‘pretty soon’? When do you expect all border restrictions to be lifted?
QF is preparing to fly to the many destinations before all restrictions are lifted. I’m not sure that helps the A380 drivers in the short term.
The real question re EA variations is whether you can convince A330 F/Os to accommodate an extra 80 A380 F/Os onto their type (about an extra 1/3 of the establishment) in return for reduced MGH. A big ask!
That said, my gut tells me that the A380’s return would be only about 6 months after the A330 and 787 fleets are fully back. Cheaper to just pay the A380 crew for those 6 months that train them across and then back again.
QF is preparing to fly to the many destinations before all restrictions are lifted. I’m not sure that helps the A380 drivers in the short term.
The real question re EA variations is whether you can convince A330 F/Os to accommodate an extra 80 A380 F/Os onto their type (about an extra 1/3 of the establishment) in return for reduced MGH. A big ask!
That said, my gut tells me that the A380’s return would be only about 6 months after the A330 and 787 fleets are fully back. Cheaper to just pay the A380 crew for those 6 months that train them across and then back again.
Would AJ like it if he wanted to get the A380’s back and Dick says no can do, they’re all trained up on the 330?
OK train ‘em all up again.
As Keg said, better to keep them there. ....and pay them a MGH of 100 hours.
Fair Deal Murray?
Maybe the most simple and cost effective way for Qantas moving forward is to announce the retirement of the A380.....then just follow the EA with the following RIN. Not many airlines are keeping the A380’s. Also, maybe time to order those A350’s that AJ likes so much! With many cancelled or delayed orders, availability shouldn’t be an issue.
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“The new AIPA will probably challenge stand downs legally again, will they be successful?”
The new AIPA, which really the old AIPA from previous years, didn’t win any court cases over about a 6 year period, what makes you think the same people have acquired the skills to pick which court cases to run.
The new AIPA, which really the old AIPA from previous years, didn’t win any court cases over about a 6 year period, what makes you think the same people have acquired the skills to pick which court cases to run.
Vaccine doing a good job, case numbers down approx 30-40% in the worst countries (with a few exceptions) in the last 21 days or so. Those numbers will only
improve as momentum builds.
No Chance! Just watched Q&A with three of the most eminent epidemiologists in Australia. Quarantine will be around until the end of next year, mostly because of the poor vaccination rates and procedures in other countries.
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By second half as in by July? Or ‘in’ the second half meaning perhaps October- December? If you’re right the A380 is back in business within 6 months of that occurring.
With an Aussie populace almost fully vaccinated by Christmas 2021 and similar occurring in the UK and the USA there is no way the public will put up with an additional 12 months of locked borders and quarantine.
Would these be the same epidemiologists who predicted massive first and second and third waves and how allowing gatherings in NSW at Christmas would see thousands of cases by early January? The same ones that claimed the cricket at the SCG was going to be the mother of all super spreaders?
With an Aussie populace almost fully vaccinated by Christmas 2021 and similar occurring in the UK and the USA there is no way the public will put up with an additional 12 months of locked borders and quarantine.
Would these be the same epidemiologists who predicted massive first and second and third waves and how allowing gatherings in NSW at Christmas would see thousands of cases by early January? The same ones that claimed the cricket at the SCG was going to be the mother of all super spreaders?
Aah no, end of 2022. Nick Coatsworth, Tony Blakely and Sharon Lewin. At every point in this pandemic the optimistic timelines that people here have put forward have invariably proved wrong.