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Old 16th Sep 2020, 03:54
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
Because the numbers are what they are. They don't lie. As for your fascination with my lack of reply, I hadn't bothered to reply because no matter the expected life expectancy when you attain 80 years of age, you are (typically) still retired, (typically) not contributing to the economy beyond your groceries and fuel purchases and arguing over whether you would expect to die at 86 or 96 or any particular age doesn't contribute to the issue whereby the average age of COVID deaths (in Australia) at the time of writing is 86 years old. Even if we accept the US data, it would mean an effective saving of what? 2,3, maybe 5 years at whatever the life-year-cost is, which renders your point essentially, meaningless in context. Again your ignorance of 'average' is astounding. These people have paid their taxes and the fact they're no longer paying tax is irrelevant, that age group is the one that built this country suffering the effects of the depression, WW2 and fought in Korea, not whiney brats such as yourself. You are a narcissistic individual.

Everyone except the CHO's, who seem to be only focused exclusively on the worst possible outcomes. "What if it gets into WA, and what if there is an outbreak and what if that outbreak becomes uncontrolled then it could be catastrophic....yadda yadda." Again your ignorance is on display. The "what ifs" have been widely publicised and you still cannot fathom the outcome!

Yes, if it met all those conditions, I agree. But the chances of that happening, with proper precautions taken, are slim. Same again, you've already shown you have no understandingThat has been found, legally, in the Palmer trial. Again acting the Lawyer with no understanding of the law and likely misquoting because you've also shown you don't understand context, in whatever the situation is: medical, legal, statistical.Dual engine failures on a turbine twin, wile extremely rare, still happen, but with proper precautions they are allowed to fly several hours away, overwater even, from the nearest suitable diversion airport, even though a dual failure could still occur. Oh PLEASE, stick to choo choo trains. Talk about overreach!

It does not matter whose responsibility it is. Because, as above, the data doesn't lie. Again, pretending you understand data, you've already shown your ignorance there. If you have nearly 2/3rds of international arrivals coming in via NSW, then you need more staff to manage those arrivals, and those additional staff have a higher chance of being infected with COVID and thus passing it to their close contacts. We've seen recent cases in the NSW Health System where ED staff have caught it, and they are arguably the most experienced front-line workers in the state when it comes to infection control.

If we accept the premise that it is a federal responsibility then the Federal Government owes a duty to the residents of NSW (and others where the %age is disproportionate) to hold the other states to account over their penalising those residents. Showing your constitutional ignorance, again. It is all well and good for the Qld CHO to declare "We won't open the border until there is 28 days of no community transmission", but conventionally overlook the number of arrivals. Were NSW to outlaw international arrivals completely, like Tasmania has done, then sure, they could easily achieve that figure. But there's next to no possibility while there is chance of infection through the hotel quarantine program.

Qld has locked out ACT residents even though they have a better track record than Qld. "Oh, but they commute from outside the ACT into the ACT, and they could bring the Pestilence with them" says Dr Young. I invite you to look at the NSW COVID Map by postcode, scroll down to Canberra and select the recent button. No recent cases within cooee, yet they are still locked out of Qld. "Border closures are based on risk!" Pigs asre they are. You've already shown you have no understanding of basic stats, so I doubt you could quantify risk fullstop. As Chronic Snoozerposted above "It's risk avoidance not risk management. Like aviation, things would all be a lot safer if we just all stayed at home.". A meaningless statement. After-all, Qld has recent confirmed cases of COVID, we should lock down the state to make sure those AFL players don't catch it in their 5-star luxury quarantine hotel...
A lot of meaningless verbiage. You keep going on about "the data" but time and again you show all you can do is regurgitate "data" with no understanding. Basically you didn't respond because you didn't understand and you needed 5 days to think up a non response.

I'm fairly certain the QLD CHO has forgotten more about "data" than you have ever understood.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 09:40
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The numbers are trending well in VIC.

Regardless of what is said here, the rest of the nation IS wishing you all well and that the trend can be maintained.

Western Europe looks to be in for another hammering.

With luck and hard work, that can continue to be avoided here.

All the best, wherever you are.

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:04
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post

I'm fairly certain the QLD CHO has forgotten more about "data" than you have ever understood.
Obviously not the amount of money the likes of Tom Hanks and the AFL plus hangers on bring in to Queensland coffers.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:15
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
The numbers are trending well in VIC.

Regardless of what is said here, the rest of the nation IS wishing you all well and that the trend can be maintained.

Western Europe looks to be in for another hammering.

With luck and hard work, that can continue to be avoided here.

All the best, wherever you are.
Thanks bro however western europe has an interesting trend this time round.
If you check UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and others even the USA on worldometers you find the cases are increasing dramatically
though deaths have pretty much flatlined. If the gap continues to increase between these two lines, the better. It means the virus is starting to wane
it gets weaker when it effects more. Just how viruses were meant to work.
The most ironic thing about this virus is it will eventually die itself out. When that happens the vaccine will be just about ready.
If the whole world let it rip and you protect the elderly covid would of finished 2 months ago.
If you lockdown the whole world then you prolong the virus to die out. ie flatten the curve.
End of the day same deaths.

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
It means the virus is starting to wane
it gets weaker when it effects more. Just how viruses were meant to work.
So how come HIV/ AIDS hasn’t died out? Or the seasonal flu? They are both viruses.

Meant to work according to who?
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
So how come HIV/ AIDS hasn’t died out? Or the seasonal flu? They are both viruses.

Meant to work according to who?
Hiv/aids is a blood disease. Spread by infected needles. You don't breath that in.
Seasonal flu does die out though it mutates into another strain the following year.


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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:55
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Hiv/aids is a blood disease. Spread by infected needles. You don't breath that in.
Seasonal flu does die out though it mutates into another strain the following year.
Do you have any peer reviewed papers to back up your claim that “viruses just die out”?
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Spread by infected needles.
Maybe go back to med school also. Few other ways that it gets transmitted
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
Do you have any peer reviewed papers to back up your claim that “viruses just die out”?
Their is stuff in the Lancet though I would need to dig them up. Some basic history can back it up though.
Right now their is no SARS, MERS, SWINE, Spanish and if you want to go back Bubonic plague. No vaccines for any of them.
Viruses attack people with low immune systems i.e. (comorbid, age care) and when their are no more low immune systems to effect
the disease starts to fall down the graph. It weakens it fades and dies out. If it didn't, then all those diseases would still be around today.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:12
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So how come HIV/ AIDS hasn’t died out? Or the seasonal flu? They are both viruses
Aids will die if it is exposed to air. It can only be transmitted by fluid/blood to blood contact. Which only leaves you a few options of transmission.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Their is stuff in the Lancet though I would need to dig them up. Some basic history can back it up though.
Right now their is no SARS, MERS, SWINE, Spanish and if you want to go back Bubonic plague. No vaccines for any of them.
Viruses attack people with low immune systems i.e. (comorbid, age care) and when their are no more low immune systems to effect
the disease starts to fall down the graph
. It weakens it fades and dies out. If it didn't, then all those diseases would still be around today.
Really? Yeah nah. Oh and BTW, Bubonic Plague is STILL around: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...still-a-threat
People are still dying from it on a yearly basis.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
"The
Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people–about a third of the world's population at the time–in four successive waves. The death toll is typically estimated to have been somewhere between 17 million and 50 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history." So a third of the world's pop was immune compromised?

"Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher than expected mortality rate for young adults" But TL080 said a virus only goes after immune impaired people.

"Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[6] Oh, that doesn't coincide with your statement?

Btw, viruses don't die because they're not alive to start with, they replicate themselves using a hosts cells, so If you don't know the very basics you really shouldn't comment, on anything to do with CV or viruses in general because you don't know what you are talking about. Just a simple google and you could have been better informed but you're not, so what does that say about your other posts on this and how it should be handled?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:46
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And another thing. Influenza viruses are not corona viruses. Different viruses (Virii?) produces different results.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:55
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exfocx for god's sake man, learn BBCode and format your posts properly...
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
exfocx for god's sake man, learn BBCode and format your posts properly...
They appear pretty easy to read on my computer.

lololol You should already have a headache so just stop it.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 13:30
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https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:14
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Originally Posted by slats11 View Post
https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.
Seriously? US propaganda from a org set up by an act of congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim...ial_Foundation
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:15
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In Mongolia, a couple died of bubonic plague on May 1 after reportedly hunting marmots, large rodents that can harbor
the bacterium that causes the disease, and eating the animal's raw meat and kidneys – which some Mongolians believe is good for their health.
Exfocx sounds
appetising. Hmm I wonder if the WHO approve of this new Mongolian franchise. Do you want chips with that.

Spanish Flu (Not a Covid) your correct is a H1 N1 strain caused by thousands of soldiers having poor hygiene and eating poorly during the war in freezing cold conditions. Yeah, that would bring a flu on. No problem.
When the war finished they transported the strain everywhere.
"Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[6]Oh, that doesn't coincide with your statement?
Note the word "POSSIBLE". So there not really sure. Leave that at that. Oh! a lot of evidence around that good old Vit D can protect you from a cytokine storm. I reckon the soldiers were very very D deficient and
when that happens your susceptible to anything.

Viruses are dead cells out in the open until they infiltrate you, agreed. When you sneeze they only live for about 30sec in the open.
That's why infection is low in the open and contagious indoors.
As I said before lockdowns prolong the virus thanks for the discussion.




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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:16
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Originally Posted by slats11 View Post
https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.
A debunking (at Least from the WHO perspective):

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post

Viruses are dead cells out in the open until they infiltrate you, agreed. When you sneeze they only live for about 30sec in the open.
That's why infection is low in the open and contagious indoors.
As I said before lockdowns prolong the virus thanks for the discussion.

Sort of need some even shytty backyard fools, half arsed 3 year olds paper to back your comment.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:33
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Sure. But play the ball - not the man

Have a look at this

WHO SITREP giving official Chinese timeline. China fessed up that it was a coronavirus on 7 January.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=20a99c10_4

Except this
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0...251-8/fulltext

Look at table of results
So China obtained CV from a patient at least as early as 26 December. Now even if the PCR was negative as new virus (plausible), I’ll bet both nuts they would have looked at those samples under an electron microscope. They would have seen CV (which were named for their distinct appearance under EM). So they knew they had a CV problem around December 26.
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