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Old 10th Apr 2022, 10:58
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Maybe if they paid decent coin……
Or put pilots where they want to be based....
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 11:23
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Maybe if they paid decent coin……
There will be a number of Australian airlines with pilot shortages come next year if they don’t start paying reasonable rates.

Cobham, Airnorth, EFA, alliance to name a few will start to feel the pinch as the world opens up. And their execs will blame everyone but themselves…
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Old 10th Apr 2022, 11:40
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Agreed.

I would genuinely look at Alliance if they were closer to $200k mark for a captain
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 03:30
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Maybe if they paid decent coin……
Or put pilots where they want to be based....
I never really understand this. If an employer says, would you you like a job at base X flying aircraft A, then you either say yes or no. If you take the job why do pilots feel they can complain that they want to be at base Y or on aircraft B? Now if at the time of offer a base or fleet change was offered/hinted/suggested/dangled then fair enough but if you get what you were offered then I cannot see pilots have a recourse to complain. Of course we will, because we can.
I imagine the three choices of Adelaide, Darwin or Townsville are becoming less attractive as the market shifts to supply shortages of pilots?
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 05:27
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
I never really understand this. If an employer says, would you you like a job at base X flying aircraft A, then you either say yes or no. If you take the job why do pilots feel they can complain that they want to be at base Y or on aircraft B?
Who said anything about complaining?

The point was made that pilots are leaving for better jobs with better coin and/or better location.

If the employer wants to keep them, then the employer has the choice to make the job more attractive.

What don't you understand about that?
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 11:40
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Is there any truth to the rumour that Alliance may be getting the A-220 if NJS pilots reject the PEA on offer?
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 11:47
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The way QF operate these days, I wouldn't rule anything out. After all, Alliance are pretty much doing with the Ejet what NJS were doing as far back as the 146 days.
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 11:52
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
I why do pilots feel they can complain that they want to be at base Y or on aircraft B?
They aren't complaining, they are leaving.

Hopefully this is the start of professional mobility and its associated remuneration benefits within the pilot profession.
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
The way QF operate these days, I wouldn't rule anything out. After all, Alliance are pretty much doing with the Ejet what NJS were doing as far back as the 146 days.
Why would QF purchase A220 only to lease them to Alliance to operate. That makes little business sense.
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Qantas have not announced that they are buying A220 aircraft, they have announced that by the end of this year they will make an announcement about possibly buying A220 aircraft. Big difference.
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Old 11th Apr 2022, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Qantas have not announced that they are buying A220 aircraft, they have announced that by the end of this year they will make an announcement about possibly buying A220 aircraft. Big difference.
Close.

Subject to Board approval, we expect to finalise the order for our domestic fleet renewal with Airbus – a decade long program that we call Project Winton – by mid calendar year.
(my bold)

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-plan...rder-mid-2022/
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As I said, BY THE END of this year.

Shall we revisit this topic when and if they order, then again if they do not convert the order into a different Airbus type, maybe A350?

History: Orange Q, all business class in Malaysia, Jetstar HK, Jetstar Vietnam…


Edited to add….https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...fleet-renewal/

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Old 12th Apr 2022, 12:37
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I found it interesting recently when looking at flying to Newcastle you could choose Virgin or QF but both flights are operated by Alliance. The choice then is F100 (Virgin) or E190 ( QF).
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 02:24
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More resignations this week apparently. Word of a sign on bonus but I cannot see how that helps. Stay six months then still leave.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 04:42
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You don’t understand it because you haven’t a clue as to what’s actually happening.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:09
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Four pilots resigned from the Darwin base over the last few weeks, via a reliable source.

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Old 17th Apr 2022, 06:22
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You don’t understand it because you haven’t a clue as to what’s actually happening.
Well feel free to educate me (us).
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 07:31
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Sign on bonus is a short term incentive that only works if the company is worth staying with and there are no other options. Neither of which are true here.
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 09:41
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Originally Posted by CharlieLimaX-Ray View Post
Four pilots resigned from the Darwin base over the last few weeks, via a reliable source.

That would be Adelaide base
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 10:04
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As a Darwin base captain once told me ‘People are leaving before they have even arrived’.
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