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Rex Expanding Into Jets

Old 12th May 2020, 21:34
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
I think the Jetgo ground equipment is probably still sitting around at various airports from the last time someone had a go with a "regional jet". I'm pretty sure Rex only runs out of BNE because it's got the government contracts. It doesn't go anywhere people actually live, or interstate.
You don’t really seem to know very much do you? You say “I think” and “I’m pretty sure”. That hardly provides any merit of confidence in your actual understanding or your comments on the matter. Maybe you “think” and are “pretty sure” that the tooth fairy is real also?
And you said this regarding REX;

“It doesn't go anywhere people actually live, or interstate”.

Really? Aren’t they based in NSW? Don’t they fly also in QLD, SA, WA and VIC. And to places such as Cairns, Townsville and Brisbane? I would hardly call that ‘not flying interstate’ or ‘not going to where people actually live’!

Bud, I don’t think you are well. Please have a good rest, take in some imagine take some lithium pills.


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Old 12th May 2020, 21:49
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
So all the 340 crews will bid over to jets with no jet experience and all the out of work RPT pilots will backfill the 340 spots or they will get all new recruits or out of work RPT pilots will take all the jet jobs.....It would be fun to watch.
Surely they will recruit all the type rated pilots in Aus who currently don't have jobs, slap up a flimsy agreement and go from there.
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Old 12th May 2020, 22:13
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Surely they will recruit all the type rated pilots in Aus who currently don't have jobs, slap up a flimsy agreement and go from there.
Probably. Perhaps pick up some experienced guys to the left seats and move some SAAB guys to the right seat of the jet.
Still can't see this getting off the ground for a long time yet, if at all.
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Old 12th May 2020, 23:15
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
So all the 340 crews will bid over to jets with no jet experience and all the out of work RPT pilots will backfill the 340 spots or they will get all new recruits or out of work RPT pilots will take all the jet jobs.....It would be fun to watch.
We all know that wouldn’t happen, just not feasible to start. However what it would do is give the 340 guys the next step. Yes I’m wading into muddy waters. To start fast you need qualified drivers, you have them. Does Rex have a seniority list? Then it comes into play. Yes might seem unfair at the start but one has to be realistic.
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Old 13th May 2020, 00:00
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Regional jet pilots transition onto airliners quite easily, turboprop pilots understandably take longer. A realistic timeframe would be at least two years in the right seat before a Saab Captain would be ready for command on an A320/B737. CASA and the insurance company would need to be satisfied with the program as well. There would also be a need for experienced first officers to baby sit the new upgrades for a month or two after release to line. Certain airstrips may have restrictions on them such as minimum time in command or on type before operating there. There would be a further wait while REX pilots gained the experience necessary for check and training approval.

They would need to have "expats" on the payroll for a fairly long time.
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Old 13th May 2020, 00:32
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I recall all the Kendall/Ansett/RJ fiasco! That was entertaining this maybe as well?

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Old 13th May 2020, 00:33
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
We all know that wouldn’t happen, just not feasible to start. However what it would do is give the 340 guys the next step. Yes I’m wading into muddy waters. To start fast you need qualified drivers, you have them. Does Rex have a seniority list? Then it comes into play. Yes might seem unfair at the start but one has to be realistic.
I also can't imagine many Saab captains making the leap unless the Jet FO pay > Saab capt pay either.
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Old 13th May 2020, 00:49
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People have very short memories. Impulse went from 1900s to 717s without too much trauma. Seniority and who will fly what was all sorted out by the hours requirements and CASA. So what happened? A lot of expats who had flown domestically with IPEC,TAA and Ansett until the end of the 80's came home after a decade in exile. What happened to the existing pilots and their demands for jet seats? They waited and gained jet experience like Rex pilots will have to. When the operation matures and things settle down then the seniority list will reassert itself. Its not like this is a brand new concept and has never been tried before.
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Old 13th May 2020, 01:21
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Regional jet pilots transition onto airliners quite easily, turboprop pilots understandably take longer. A realistic timeframe would be at least two years in the right seat before a Saab Captain would be ready for command on an A320/B737. CASA and the insurance company would need to be satisfied with the program as well. There would also be a need for experienced first officers to baby sit the new upgrades for a month or two after release to line. Certain airstrips may have restrictions on them such as minimum time in command or on type before operating there. There would be a further wait while REX pilots gained the experience necessary for check and training approval.

They would need to have "expats" on the payroll for a fairly long time.
no need for expats plenty of experienced unemployed jet drivers around!
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Old 13th May 2020, 01:30
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The only consideration for Rex is $$. If they are going to do this it’s not for the benefit of the pilot group, this is never a factor. There are unfortunately a bunch of boys and girls that are highly qualified and experienced on narrow body jets currently unemployed. 10 jets would mean around 140 pilots. They can easily find these guys already endorsed. Why would they hire 140 pilots, endorse and train them on Saab’s just so they can “promote” 140 existing and non endorsed pilots.

280 endorsements as opposed to 0.
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Old 13th May 2020, 01:42
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Surely they will recruit all the type rated pilots in Aus who currently don't have jobs, slap up a flimsy agreement and go from there.
What he said. Why would they do anything else? The pilot management policy would be simply based on economics, insurance requirements and getting quick approvals from CASA. Their success in getting jets onto their AOC in a short time frame will hinge upon hiring the right technical expertise and throwing only as much money at it as is needed to be 'compliant'. That won't include a gold-plated pilot training budget.
Expect them to run two completely separate pilot divisions with no transfer from turboprop to jet until there are no more type rated experienced jet pilots prepared to work for whatever conditions they offer. And they will milk the current employment situation for every dollar they can. As for 'seniority' - hell will freeze over before that happens!
Not saying this is a very nice way to do business, but better the devil you know than the one you don't. At least Rex knows how to turn a profit where so many others have failed.
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Old 13th May 2020, 02:53
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RexJet....
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Old 13th May 2020, 02:54
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Should the government be given a stake in Rex for the cash they gave them !
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Old 13th May 2020, 03:05
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There has been a lot of emotionally charged postings on various platforms about Rex giving back the Government subsidy. That subsidy was not the sole preserve of Rex even though they may have been a major beneficiary. I am sure that QLink got some of that money as would Sharp. The domestic jet operators also got a subsidy to maintain a minimum level of service which is also helping Virgin. I don't see anyone suggesting that if Virgin come out of VA that they should pay back the subsidy money. I doubt that Rex are going to be putting any jets on the network until 1) Domestic travel restrictions are lifted and 2) They actually have a HCAOC which is not a tick and flick exercise. I can't see jets happening until at least 12 months.
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Old 13th May 2020, 03:20
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RexJet....
Nah - "Sikkem Rex" would bring back memories for connoisseurs of tasteful ladies underwear ads from years ago!

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Old 13th May 2020, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
There has been a lot of emotionally charged postings on various platforms about Rex giving back the Government subsidy. That subsidy was not the sole preserve of Rex even though they may have been a major beneficiary. I am sure that QLink got some of that money as would Sharp. The domestic jet operators also got a subsidy to maintain a minimum level of service which is also helping Virgin. I don't see anyone suggesting that if Virgin come out of VA that they should pay back the subsidy money. I doubt that Rex are going to be putting any jets on the network until 1) Domestic travel restrictions are lifted and 2) They actually have a HCAOC which is not a tick and flick exercise. I can't see jets happening until at least 12 months.
I agree with the general gist of what you have said here...

But QF and VA haven’t received that government money, and then tapped the shoulders of investors to essentially start a whole new business venture.

And the other thing of concern is the disproportionate amount that Rex has received. If you compare what Rex has received in total subsidies compared to QF and VA in relation to Total revenues, it’s staggering.

I would liken this to QF now coming out and ordering Project Sunrise aircraft.

To be quite honest, this whole thing stinks. Some hard questions need to be asked of the Deputy PM, especially considering the Government doesn’t pick winners or losers.

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Old 13th May 2020, 03:27
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Regional jet pilots transition onto airliners quite easily, turboprop pilots understandably take longer. A realistic timeframe would be at least two years in the right seat before a Saab Captain would be ready for command on an A320/B737. CASA and the insurance company would need to be satisfied with the program as well. There would also be a need for experienced first officers to baby sit the new upgrades for a month or two after release to line. Certain airstrips may have restrictions on them such as minimum time in command or on type before operating there. There would be a further wait while REX pilots gained the experience necessary for check and training approval.

They would need to have "expats" on the payroll for a fairly long time.
What a load of garbage. In the US 1500 hour C172 pilots end up in the left seat of an Embraer 145 or 175 or CRJ within about 12 months of being checked to line if they fly their butt off, without problems.
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Old 13th May 2020, 03:51
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I doubt the Civil Aviation Authority want a Coglan Air flight 3407 happening in Australia and would insist on a higher experience level, and particularly if Airbus would want more time on type. Given that there are likely to be plenty of experienced pilots out of work it would be difficult for REX to justify any dispensation on the basis that they can’t find appropriate crew.

Thanks for the warning, I’ll certainly avoid regionals if I need to get somewhere in the USA.
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Old 13th May 2020, 04:46
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There is a market, there are plenty of narrow body VH registered jets available, and there are plenty of well qualified pilots packing shelves. JQ took in instant captains when they converted to A320's. If you want a place in the future, forget old fashioned contacts and seniority rules.

Rex whatever it is called, will happen by this time next year. And looking at the performance of the VA Administrator, I think the market will be QF, ANZ, JQ and RexNeo.

Intra Australia travel and tourism will happen and it will expand to the NZ, Singapore, Korea, Japan bubble fairly quickly.
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Old 13th May 2020, 04:53
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Amazing, everything you just said then was wrong
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