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Rex Expanding Into Jets

Old 12th May 2020, 04:12
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This news was known by insiders about 1 month ago. I posted the following on another thread on 15 April. Todays announcement has added PER and BNE. I understood PER and BNE was to be Phase 2 of the expansion.

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REX is not 100% foreign owned. In fact the top 20 shareholders only own 86.8% of the company. You would be surprised at who owns small holdings in REX. REX is up 23% today on the ASX.

REX know the SF340 is too small for the larger markets in the ADL-MEL-CBR-SYD incl Tasmania golden triangle. They are looking at larger aircraft again. This makes 3 airlines who are interested in commencing an operation cherry picking routes. Watch this space when the wheels fall off VA.
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Old 12th May 2020, 04:30
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Originally Posted by flyonthewall View Post
Krismiler, there is no such thing as a ‘regional’ jet.

Ansett managements push to introduce the CRJ at Kendell was a sorry example of this misconception. That they attempted it with such a top heavy management structure meant that they were doomed from the beginning. The issues there were nothing to do with anything that is part of CASA‘s role and everything to do with a lack of understanding of the operation AN took over.

A jet is a jet, and it will always have different operating economics to a turboprop. If you really think “Regional jets might be a better starting point” on routes like MEL-BNE and SYD-PER then I’m not sure you understand the economics of airlines.
" No such thing as a regional jet". Strange, how come some manufacturers use 'CRJ' as part of the nomenclature, such as Canadian Regional Jet, CRJ, and BAE 146 RJ, usually reserved for craft of 100 to 150 seats or less.
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Old 12th May 2020, 04:32
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
Their Saab's could easily complement the jets when loads are light and they can't fill A 737/A320. I reckon they've got a winner here!
Are you meaning that if the loads are light for a 737/320 (from 160 down to 36 seats) on M/S/B route , they could just throw on a SAAB?? Surely you're not serious, as I doubt that'd go down well with travellers.
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Old 12th May 2020, 04:38
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Are you meaning that if the loads are light for a 737/320 (from 160 down to 36 seats) on M/S/B route , they could just throw on a SAAB?? Surely you're not serious, as I doubt that'd go down well with travellers.
LOL ..I should have added a sarcasm emoticon.
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Old 12th May 2020, 04:46
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Originally Posted by Tubman601 View Post
Well that’s interesting, also we’ve had enquires from a Brisbane based company for ground equipment, suit A220/320.
Could be an interesting couple of months.
This wasn’t REX by the way.
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Old 12th May 2020, 04:56
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I think you might find some nearby (read: East) Pacific neighbours with surplus A320CEO, A320NEO and A321NEO fleets parked up all over NZ...

With a recently almost $1bill government loan... And a desire to reenter the Australian market.

There has already been a lot of talk from the NZ unions about subsidiaries (and highlighting associated contractual protections in place), discussing potential Australian domestic operations, and the CEO's stance that he is prepared to take advantage of absolutely any gap in the Australasian market.

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Old 12th May 2020, 04:58
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Air New Zealand has always wanted to be a player in Australia. May be the new world will be QF, NZ, JQ and Rex
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:10
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Originally Posted by Pundit View Post
Air New Zealand has always wanted to be a player in Australia. May be the new world will be QF, NZ, JQ and Rex
Hope so. ANZ is a great airline.
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:18
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Well Sharp and chairman Hai played the government for fools didn’t they. Qantas had to borrow against assets, VA went into admin.....Rex with their connections got the government to subsidise them, well played. Let’s see how well they can play CASA to get a high capacity jet AOC up and running. I’m sure as long as they run a jet between Wagga and Canberra they will be in business.
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:18
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Mr Sharp said Rex was confident of being able to fly in and out of Sydney because it was the third-largest holder of slots at Sydney Airport. “We will bring a much lower cost base to the capital city routes,” he said.

So if they give some of those slots of SYD to new jet operation, where will some of the saabs go ? Bankstown ?
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:24
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Pretty sure they have those slots to guarantee regional flights into Sydney, not more jet slots....but as we see Mr Sharp has good connections.
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:25
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
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Mr Sharp said Rex was confident of being able to fly in and out of Sydney because it was the third-largest holder of slots at Sydney Airport. “We will bring a much lower cost base to the capital city routes,” he said.

So if they give some of those slots of SYD to new jet operation, where will some of the saabs go ? Bankstown ?
Call me optimistic but I don’t think slots are going to be a major issue on the east coast for a good few years.
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:31
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IF VA2 doesn't happen there'll be a shitload of SY slots the airport will gladly allocate to anyone to get the $$ rolling.

Like an unused seat on a flight an unused slot is an asset wasted and lost.
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Old 12th May 2020, 05:46
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This would be ideal for CASA to get their teeth into!
Instead of working to resolve their issues with Glenn Buckley, they really can say we are too busy with a high capacity AOC application to worry about Glenn.
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Old 12th May 2020, 06:34
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This would be ideal for CASA to get their teeth into!
Instead of working to resolve their issues with Glenn Buckley, they really can say we are too busy with a high capacity AOC application to worry about Glenn.
deputy chairman John Sharp is ex transport minister in howard govt. He knows the ins & outs of Canberra. Probably done the rounds already. CASA won't be an issue, getting the public to fly them will, if Qantas is allowed to dump millions of seats at below cost, before they get off the ground.
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Old 12th May 2020, 06:44
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Could Rex be considering the Ejet E170/190 over the 737/A320? The Ejet E170 would certainly be a good replacement for their ageing SF340 fleet with plenty of first generation Ejets now available cheaply. The E190 has the legs to do PER-MEL and Air North uses the E170 to do Toowoomba - MEL so BNE -MEL is no problem.
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Old 12th May 2020, 06:52
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
The Ejet E170 would certainly be a good replacement for their ageing SF340 fleet with plenty of first generation Ejets now available cheaply.
How is the E170 a good replacement for a SAAB340? You won’t get it into half the strips the SAAB goes. It burns heaps more fuel and is in a totally different class re pax loads.

Its almost like trying to compare an A380 to a B737.

One thing Rex currently do well is break even off a route with minimal pax because they own their aircraft and the SAAB is very fuel efficient.
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Old 12th May 2020, 06:56
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deputy chairman John Sharp is ex transport minister in howard govt. He knows the ins & outs of Canberra. Probably done the rounds already. CASA won't be an issue,
Well that all depends on the power of the QF lobby. I would feel aggrieved if I were Alan Joyce and the government gave REX some public funds for Regional Operations which they then went and spent on setting up a domestic competitor.
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Old 12th May 2020, 07:01
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I'm picturing the news articles already of Rex complaining about the competition from Qantas.
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Old 12th May 2020, 07:11
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
I'm picturing the news articles already of Rex complaining about the competition from Qantas.
qantas well known for dumping seats below cost, which is still illegal, but hard to prove.
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