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Old 10th May 2020, 09:28
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Well QF, JQ, Qlink don't claim allowances. So you are talking about Network or EFA?
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Old 10th May 2020, 09:48
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There’s no extra allowances to claim for meals for pilots In QF only cabin crew, maybe that’s the tree your trying to bark up?
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Old 10th May 2020, 09:48
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Thanks for the positive support, f🤬ck idiots!!!
that doesnít even make sense... definitely stick to quacking
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Old 10th May 2020, 10:01
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Are some pilots who are stood down more entitled to vent than others, duck? What kinda support so you want? I'm also stood down on zero pay, and I do work for QF. What's the problem?
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Old 10th May 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar View Post
What a load of wind up this is or change the Thread Title to accurately reflect which group is.

Mainline and Jetstar wouldn't have a hope in hell of being able to drop allowances through any IT system let alone manned resources.

So we're left with ....
Sorry about the vagueness mate, this was promulgated amongst stood down crew on a flight crew social media group.

My understanding was this is happening on the West coast and it was said that crew are either not being provided meals or are being provided Ďnot to standard mealsí and are not claiming allowances when they are entitled too. As stated my concern is if this is occurring we ALL lose out in the end and i think a healthy discussion would be worthwhile on this platform.

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Old 10th May 2020, 10:41
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When the company decided to remove crew meals, they would have looked at the EBA allowance costs and factored that into the decision. Claiming a lunch allowance won't make the company go broke, nor is it going to change the perception of any employment group. Claim the allowance and look after your family. Or if you want to be noble, spend the allowance at a local business/cafe and help the local economy.
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Old 10th May 2020, 12:05
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
Well QF, JQ, Qlink don't claim allowances. So you are talking about Network or EFA?
QLink are able to claim meal allowances due to limited on board catering.

I would guess most, but possibly not all would be doing so.
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Old 10th May 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Don’t expect any support, however show some respect for the people who are doing it hard......

Typical tall poppy attitude! Show some respect and support to our fellow aviation colleges?

Please look after one another!!!!
Ok! Very powerful words Thanks.

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Old 10th May 2020, 19:45
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You might not have noticed, but although reduced, there are plenty of flights operating in EU & USA right now.


Not sure what your news source is but here in the US, data from airlines and the TSA indicate passenger numbers are presently 4% compared to this time last year.

Flights are outstripping passenger demand because of some outdated and absurd Government regulations that require certain flights to continue regardless of passenger numbers.

These flights will end when the CARES stimulus runs out in October and the industry will be furloughing over one third of pilots in round one. More furloughs will follow and the industry is not making these moves assuming things turn around quickly.

Australia has done very well during these trying times but I would be very careful about dropping your guard and letting this virus take hold in the way it has here in the US or Europe.

The media frenzy will end soon, as public is sick & tired of the hype & some so called expert being dragged out, that no one has ever heard of.


The results of this pandemic have nothing to do with the media. Shutdowns have occurred globally because Governments act based upon prudent expert advice, not media hype.
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Old 10th May 2020, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Donít expect any support, however show some respect for the people who are doing it hard......
Typical tall poppy attitude! Show some respect and support to our fellow aviation colleges?
Please look after one another!!!!
I guess itís reasonable to expect a bit of reciprocation, duck. You give as good as you get. Re qf - it is its own beast, It cannot be compared to external entities easily. Our battles are Mostly internal and are about maintaining and preserving hard fought for conditions and prevailing against what Iíd describe as a manipulative executive (in my opinion)

anyway - I would hope if there is any basis to this rumour thereíd be a reciprocal arrangement from management and executives (genuine and enduring reductions in incentives, bonuses etc), or, make such an arrangement with a time constraint and/or dependant on company/group performance. Ie. take the hit, and come back and review each 6months. But even if this is done, there is risk that the company will make the relative department fight for said condition/s back when the grass starts growing again.
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Old 10th May 2020, 21:47
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Gíday all, apologise for all the bad remarks etc. Posts have been deleted however that means nothing.

I was having a bad day yesterday, I should have never stuck my nose into this discussion. We all make mistakes particularly when we are under stress.

Very difficult times now, however Iím sure I will get through it. Apologies and all the best.
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Old 10th May 2020, 23:16
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Well done DP for that last post. Go easy on yourself and best wishes in these difficult times.
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Old 10th May 2020, 23:39
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Gíday all, apologise for all the bad remarks etc. Posts have been deleted however that means nothing.

I was having a bad day yesterday, I should have never stuck my nose into this discussion. We all make mistakes particularly when we are under stress.

Very difficult times now, however Iím sure I will get through it. Apologies and all the best.
not many people on these forums would do that, I commend you!

Weíre all having good days and bad days at the moment. Keep your head up, weíre all in it together.
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Old 11th May 2020, 00:18
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Gíday all, apologise for all the bad remarks etc. Posts have been deleted however that means nothing.

I was having a bad day yesterday, I should have never stuck my nose into this discussion. We all make mistakes particularly when we are under stress.

Very difficult times now, however Iím sure I will get through it. Apologies and all the best.
Excellent show of humility mate.
Thereís a lot of pilots reading these posts that have also been stood down with an uncertain future, good pilots and good people (and a few dickheads too Iíd suspect). Also many people who have borrowed a squillion dollars to pay for training that canít justify the cost now due to low chance of employment.

Aviation is fickle as we all know, but this one is different - you canít just go overseas and get work.

Covid isnít any pilotís fault - so show humility towards your fellow pilot.

You do however, have a responsibility to be professional and remain competent. If we all do this, weíll be at a better standing towards the public, the government and our employers. This will give your career and the industry the best fighting chance to recover.
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Old 11th May 2020, 03:25
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Good on you duck. Nothing lasts forever. Find something, anything (but unhealthy habits) to fill your time. I know bills have to be paid, and I’m not sure what the answers are there. Just play the cards as they are and have the tough convos with people to see how they can help. You’re certainly not alone, that’s a certainty!
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Old 11th May 2020, 08:10
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Why aren't they using 747s on some repatriation flights or even the odd freight op here and there?
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Old 11th May 2020, 08:22
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Gíday all, apologise for all the bad remarks etc. Posts have been deleted however that means nothing.

I was having a bad day yesterday, I should have never stuck my nose into this discussion. We all make mistakes particularly when we are under stress.

Very difficult times now, however Iím sure I will get through it. Apologies and all the best.
Well done Duck - good to see this type of post - we can all learn to be more humble - especially on here!

Iím also stood down, and have good days and bad - weíre all in it together.

Stay safe.
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Old 11th May 2020, 11:38
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f1yhigh: An airline will always use the aircraft with the lowest trip cost commensurate with the payload/range required.
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Old 11th May 2020, 16:00
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f1yhigh: An airline will always use the aircraft with the lowest trip cost commensurate with the payload/range required.
Suffice to say that the 747s will not be flying anytime soon then, despite the low fuel costs. Albeit personally I would have thought it would have been less expensive in the short-medium term for QF to throw the 747 crew a bone by chucking a few flights every once in a while. Evidently that's not the case.
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