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Old 11th May 2020, 15:44
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"Agricultural products from rural Australia up to Darwin by rail "

It's a single line not a network - everything would have to be trucked over to freight points along the railway - and only high value stuff such a s lobsters are sent by air freight - you can't ship wheat that way - well you can but you don't make any money
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Old 12th May 2020, 01:11
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It's a single line not a network - everything would have to be trucked over to freight points along the railway - and only high value stuff such a s lobsters are sent by air freight - you can't ship wheat that way - well you can but you don't make any money
Yes I get that. But with the line in place, it would be possible to create several side branches that fed into this.

Appreciate that most products would go by sea. But there are foodstuffs other than lobster that could fly.

Anyway, leave the freight issue alone. It does require other infrastructure.

However we have seen major hubs work in many places around the world for many years. There has been a relatively recent shift to P2P flying with smaller twins rater than B747/A380.

suspect the world has changed - there will be fewer travellers, and they will be more prone sensitive. Perhaps this is the time for a hub in northern Australia.

Lots of great infrastructure around the world was built during times of economic difficulty.
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Old 12th May 2020, 03:41
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/china-suspends-australian-beef-imports-from-four-abattoirs-20200512-p54s4k.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8285139/Costco-limits-number-beef-poultry-pork-products-customers-buy.html


With falling value of Aust $, China restricting our exports (and this may be just the begging), and a consumer shortage of meat in UK, I can see that beef is the new lobster.
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Old 12th May 2020, 17:13
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"it would be possible to create several side branches that fed into this."

Building railway lines is expensive and worse they are fixed - a truck is a lot more flexible - but then you have the cost of trans-shipping. It's not rocket science that major rail freight routes are generally for bulky non-time dependent things like iron ore, cars, fuel etc - and of course large 'merican tourists on Adelaide - Darwin..............
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Old 13th May 2020, 13:25
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Freight - connected to southern part of country by rail.
It's only connected to the southern part of the country by rail (and only took 126 years to built that). Exports from anywhere else in the country intending to be rail freighted to a departure by air in DRW have to travel a long long way to get there. There are no short cuts. Let's face it, DRW is a long way from the rest of the population, manufacturing, and agriculture.
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Old 16th May 2020, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
It's only connected to the southern part of the country by rail (and only took 126 years to built that). Exports from anywhere else in the country intending to be rail freighted to a departure by air in DRW have to travel a long long way to get there. There are no short cuts. Let's face it, DRW is a long way from the rest of the population, manufacturing, and agriculture.
Some very large agriculture is on the doorstep - The Ord + surf and turf + local NT produce.
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Old 17th May 2020, 07:24
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Darwin. I'm not so sure

I am not an aviator, but I absolutely love the notion of Darwin becoming an international aviation gateway. Having said that, I think that there are a few considerations to be discussed before randomly suggesting that the Top End could become a viable and permanent hub for Asian, European & ME flights.......

1. In my view, Darwin should only be considered as a hub & refuel stop. The city is relatively small and should not be viewed as a pax market (unlike the Perth market which has contributed greatly to the success of the QF9 & 10 direct services);

2. RAAF Darwin is not going anywhere. Donít listen to any notion that another terminal could be built on the southern side of the field on or about where the old terminal was, unless its built well to the east of the RAFF infrastructure which would place it miles from the domestic terminal Ė and then only with RAFF agreement.

3. RAAF ATC has always been known for separating aircraft by continents. These ridiculous separation standards along with huge CBís in the wet season, and random (priority) RAAF ops are well known in the Top End. Pilots of long haul inbound flights would not appreciate any of these scenarios which could place them in a divert scenario - and your only alternate on mainland Australia is an AFB 300km away.

4. Whatís to say that QF wonít put a payment embargo on Darwin airport, just like it has in Perth?

5. Is it correct that the NT Government is broke, and getting broker (sic) every day of the week? If so, NTG could not possibly assist with funding any sort of terminal expansion - but I guess that the airport owners are well aware of that. This then means that funding would be sought in the private sector, and Iím not sure that any hopeful suitors would be interested in aviation infrastructure in our current world.

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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Some very large agriculture is on the doorstep - The Ord + surf and turf + local NT produce.
I can see a small market for sea food going out by air - it can be very high value (especially in Asia) but beef & lamb - I don't think so

The local market is small and not going to require a vast amount of imports. If there was some high value factories in Darwin you might attract freighters - but there's not and AFAIK there are no plans to build (say) a new computer chip factory there. If you look round the world at areas dominated by agriculture you don't see many (or any) large airports (other than storage & the military.

Airports go where there are people, and business and money
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Old 17th May 2020, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
It's only connected to the southern part of the country by rail (and only took 126 years to built that). Exports from anywhere else in the country intending to be rail freighted to a departure by air in DRW have to travel a long long way to get there. There are no short cuts. Let's face it, DRW is a long way from the rest of the population, manufacturing, and agriculture.
Hmmmm-

'Whom' per-chance 'owns' the Northern-Most Port in AU (ta, Adam....., GOOD JOB)- for the next 99 yrs + The Majority of the ORD........, 'just' a question.........?????

Rgds- (and 'shall' patiently await 'some' 'esteemed/sage' advice and FACT!!!!)
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Old 17th May 2020, 10:19
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Hmmmm-

'Whom' per-chance 'owns' the Northern-Most Port in AU (ta, Adam....., GOOD JOB)- for the next 99 yrs + The Majority of the ORD........, 'just' a question.........?????

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Dat be China aye...
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Old 17th May 2020, 11:03
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'Yeszim' Mr Global!!!!!

Now then, Bueller...../Bueller...../Bueller, !!!!!?????

Rgds all
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Old 18th May 2020, 00:38
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Pilots of long haul inbound flights would not appreciate any of these scenarios which could place them in a divert scenario - and your only alternate on mainland Australia is an AFB 300km away.
Continue Approach. Darwin is frequently subject to TEMPO requirements during the wet but only extremely rarely requires an alternate. It is also extremely rare for aircraft to divert to Tindal due weather.

Thunderstorms generally blow through or out well within 60 mins. Diverting to Tindal because of TS activity in Darwin would most likely result in touch down Tindal at about the same time or post the reopening of the Darwin Airport.
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