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Virgin headed for another disaster, says REX chairman

Old 10th May 2020, 02:39
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Originally Posted by rmm View Post
So what would you have them do? Stand them down for 20 minutes then recall them?
it’s ok. Certainly at va that time at the airport was unpaid. They were essentially stood down. Perhaps they should be extra extra unpaid
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Old 10th May 2020, 02:54
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Originally Posted by chookcooker View Post
you’ve seen it have you?
Yes mate.

Its on the website. I almost fell off my chair reading it.
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Old 10th May 2020, 02:56
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
I remember an Airline that started in this country a few years ago, had only a hand full of planes of one type, the drivers started out on less $$$ than their competitors and they ran a very lean operation, even used spent paper in the printers! They did just the popular main routes tourist destinations mostly. They expanded to 14 airframes still all the one type, finally after a sucsesion of the usual CEO's CP's who thought they knew better the said Airline just started to operate on the black then along came a mother Airline who bought in to the said Airline a bit at a time and wanted to change the fleet type, synergy I think they call it, the new corporate 'in' word. From that day onwards the said Airline went backwards losing money like a kid at a lolly shop due missmanagment and a whole host of internal issues. Enter CV19, the lolly shop kid ran out of money, the mother Airline went bust".........said Airline was Tigers!
We had so much potential
The new owners and fleet transition [email protected]$ked us.
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Old 10th May 2020, 03:52
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
Has there ever been an airline in Australia as badly mismanaged in such a short time?

Bali...
Fleet Transition....
Catering...
A330 leases ...
Hong Kong ...
Velocity buy-back ...
2019 notes issue ...

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Old 10th May 2020, 03:55
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
Yes mate.

Its on the website. I almost fell off my chair reading it.
sorry, which website?
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:11
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
so my 2 cents .....

QF & VA had way too many staff getting paid too much, BUT QF had larger share of corporate market, who pay top dollar.

You only had to look around at airports, with many well paid staff, standing around doing stuff all between flights.

New QF will have less staff probably being paid less or paid same but with more required (not saying necessarily pilots will work more hours).

New VA, if it gets up (can the administrators stuff it up ? Looks possible) will have a huge haircut in terms of staff & pay & conditions, otherwise a totally new airline will pick up either B737 or A320 aircraft leases for a song & pay nothing like QF/VA have in the past.

A new airline will only have to fly trunk routes more frequently than JQ & have cheaper fares than QF. Govts might have to subsidise non-trunk routes or JQ will fly them at higher fares, which will hurt tourism industry recovery in the regions.

Plenty of experienced ex VA & other airline staff, who would work for a lot less than they were getting, as have mortgages etc.

A new airline might start slowly, hiring only as needed, but in this new world, they could probably start with 6-8 aircraft or less, doing triangle only to offer a schedule better than JQ. Remember JQ will never fly frequently on the golden triangle or will be competing with QF.

What did Virgin Blue start with ? 2 x ex AN B734s wasn't it ? BNE/SYD only ?

Seem to be plenty of venture capitalists around with plenty of cash to fund it. Wouldn't be surprised if some of pay of any new airline was either shares or % of profit.
Its a bit of a myth that QF staff are overpaid. Twenty years ago , yes but not now .Pilots are still pretty well compensated but every other department has taken a haircut over the last few years. Remember the shut down? That pretty much broke the TWU and others at QF. Large parts of the workforce , flight attendants , baggage handlers, front counter staff etc. have been casualized. It will take a ruthless competitor to take them on.
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:29
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Originally Posted by chookcooker View Post
you’ve seen it have you?
I haven't seen the information memorandum; Deloitte and PS are somewhat antsey about confidentiality; seems they aren't keen for stuff like the value of the Travel Bank liability and the underpinning headcount projections to see light of day just yet. I've only seen what has been spruiked to the papers. You can find it under headlines like Virgin can earn $1.2b a year in 2022: management's pitch to buyers
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:33
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
so my 2 cents .....

QF & VA had way too many staff getting paid too much, BUT QF had larger share of corporate market, who pay top dollar.

You only had to look around at airports, with many well paid staff, standing around doing stuff all between flights.

New QF will have less staff probably being paid less or paid same but with more required (not saying necessarily pilots will work more hours).

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I would argue this isn't true for QF at least. On the ground at least many years of VR and retirements has left the workforce on lean 20hr per week part time contracts, where the pay is barely industry competitive. Many of the full time staff on old contracts have long sailed into the sunset. All new hires on the ramp for at least 5 years are hired by a separate wholly owned entity (QGS) with comparably poor salaries. The manpower allocations above and below the wing are the bare minimum. For example, FAs assist with boarding. Travel overseas and you might see 5 or 6 staff at the gate (or double that in cheap labour markets, I've counted 9 before in HKG!), whereas at least in Australia you would be lucky to see half that.
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:34
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What did Virgin Blue start with ? 2 x ex AN B734s wasn't it ? BNE/SYD only ?
Ansett didn't fly the 400s and they weren't offloading any surplus 737's at that time. After the collapse CZQ appeared in VB colours very soon after as it was a leased aircraft.
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:44
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The 734's came from Virgin in Europe, didn't they?
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
After the collapse CZQ appeared in VB colours very soon after as it was a leased aircraft.
And Qantas grabbed CZR, CZS and CZU.
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:56
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
The 734's came from Virgin in Europe, didn't they?
Four of them did; VGA, VGC, VGD and VGE came from Virgin Express. VGB and VOZ came from Air One.
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Old 10th May 2020, 04:59
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Ansett didn't fly the 400s and they weren't offloading any surplus 737's at that time. After the collapse CZQ appeared in VB colours very soon after as it was a leased aircraft.
The funniest thing from memory was how VB were told they were getting one of Ansett’s best 737’s! CZQ was considered to be a cursed aircraft, well either that or a complete bucket of sh#t, and was always sitting on the ground broken. I still recall some drinking sessions with mates who said she had some quirks about her too. I believe the then C&T Capt from Ansett who is now the C&T Capt at Jetstar was part of the ferry crew to bring ‘Susie Q’ back to Australia to take up a spot with VB.


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Old 10th May 2020, 10:01
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fish

Yup-
Four of them did; VGA, VGC, VGD and VGE came from Virgin Express. VGB and VOZ came from Air One.
You, 'Did' seriously drill that one- 'MickG'................, yup, 'Virgin Express' ex Brussels- 'one', maybe 'given' to understand........, 'that/there' were/may have been 'issues' with 'That' Show..........., as well????

But, anyhoo- better go before 'one' gets 'Lit-Up', again.....

Bloody good, 'Get' that!!!!!

CZQ- wow, that does 'seriously' go back!!!!!

Rgds
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Old 10th May 2020, 10:29
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Originally Posted by Section28- BE View Post
Yup-

You, 'Did' seriously drill that one- 'MickG'................, yup, 'Virgin Express' ex Brussels- 'one', maybe 'given' to understand........, 'that/there' were/may have been 'issues' with 'That' Show..........., as well????

But, anyhoo- better go before 'one' gets 'Lit-Up', again.....

Bloody good, 'Get' that!!!!!

CZQ- wow, that does 'seriously' go back!!!!!

Rgds
S28- BE
The bit of that that cracked me up was below the line,

Last edited by Section28- BE; 10th May 2020 at 20:17. Reason: Manners...............
The mind boggles at what you added or deleted under the heading 'Manners'.
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Old 10th May 2020, 12:27
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CZQ was originally fitted with an internal set of stairs which had been removed. Unfortunately it just became a big water storage tank which did the avionics no good at all. From a fast receding memory I think VB had an incident where the avionics fritzed out because of water in the space the stairs occupied. something to do with shonky work when the internal stairs were removed.
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Old 10th May 2020, 19:09
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CZQ was originally fitted with an internal set of stairs which had been removed.
Are you sure about that?

I recall when the B733 replaced the B732, one of the differences was that they didn't have stairs fitted (thank God for that; the B732 internal stairs were horrible) and that they left the factory in the stairless configuration.
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Old 10th May 2020, 23:06
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It was still an option,.CZQ was not built for Ansett. I used to have a cockpit photo of a -300 with traditional instruments fitted instead of the glass panel so anything was possible from Boeing.
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Old 11th May 2020, 01:06
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Internal stairs always have been and are still a factory option on all models / series of 737, up to and including the current ones. Most don't go for them due to weight and cost, but it is an option.

Scomo's 737-BBJ has them... Nauru are still operating a 733 with them, and there are plenty of other examples.
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Old 11th May 2020, 01:20
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
well said, some are just angry little control freaks!
Have you ever heard the expression it is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to go into print and prove it.?

Your buddy Telfer goes on to admit he doesn't know the facts but was TOLD some things that turn out to be BS. He thinks 69 hours is a STRANGE number so must be doubtful. It would seem that neither of you understand what an EBA is, that it is an AGREEMENT between 2 parties, no "angry little control freaks" involved.
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