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Old 26th Apr 2020, 13:55
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VH DSJ: Yes I agree the E195 costs would be a close match. I have some concerns about the viability of the loss making Embraer in the present financial climate. If Boeing do not proceed with control of Embraer (I believe Boeing will walk) who have a lot at stake and debt with the second generation series they may become an orphan. Ps. I believe the E195 E2 is a great aircraft and kills the A320/B737-800 over anything less than 100 minutes.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 20:04
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Originally Posted by B772 View Post
VH DSJ: Yes I agree the E195 costs would be a close match. I have some concerns about the viability of the loss making Embraer in the present financial climate. If Boeing do not proceed with control of Embraer (I believe Boeing will walk) who have a lot at stake and debt with the second generation series they may become an orphan. Ps. I believe the E195 E2 is a great aircraft and kills the A320/B737-800 over anything less than 100 minutes.

They already have walked it was announced during the weekend.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 22:14
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What can you replace it with will be the question.
That's the question - another F100?

The F100 hull purchase prices were so low, they became immensely attractive. They could (with spares support) be around for some time. My understanding is that the engines are the limiting factors.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 22:17
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Network and Alliance to go B717 in addition to Cobham if/when Delta exit thiers
Hey, pass the crackpipe over this way would ya?

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Old 26th Apr 2020, 22:18
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Originally Posted by mrs nomer View Post
That's the question - another F100?

The F100 hull purchase prices were so low, they became immensely attractive. They could (with spares support) be around for some time. My understanding is that the engines are the limiting factors.
qq must be thinking about those 14 vara f100s for fifo etc.
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 22:34
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qq must be thinking about those 14 vara f100s for fifo etc
That's probably the most true statement in all of these posts
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 23:38
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What about Network, perfectly placed in Perth ready to take the mining contracts in larger Aircraft ,A320 orders on tap , containerised loading .
sure itís QF group but itís better than a. Chinese operator !
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 23:56
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What about Network, perfectly placed in Perth ready to take the mining contracts in larger Aircraft ,A320 orders on tap , containerised loading .
sure itís QF group but itís better than a. Chinese operator !
larger aircraft might be in order if the mines Hang onto the social distancing limits for a while.

cheap A320ís that can move 120 pax each way would be the best bet.

Anyone who thinks the 717 is expanding or even staying at its current levels is dreaming.

F100ís are dirt cheap and the Alliance examples would have to be close to the best looked after in the world. They also have the worldís largest pool of spares.

They arenít going anywhere anytime soon. Alliance is very good at what they do and that is run the things on the smell of an oily rag at a reliability that a 717 or Network could only dream about!
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 01:24
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larger Aircraft ,A320 orders on tap , containerised loading .
Neither of which would be popular at the mine site airports.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 02:51
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Originally Posted by Kagamuga View Post
ebt !

Do some homework first; what a turkey you are ...
The Fokker 70, 100, F28, has been the backbone of Air Niugini for 40 years now in one variation or another.
Robust, reliable, can take enourmus punishment and they even fly very short sectors of of 15 to 30 minutes.
Take a look at the time expired airframes at Port Moresby on the rubbish dump. No modern aircraft can match a Fokker.

And as an added bonus PX ignored the volcanic ash warnings of recent times and there is plenty of video on the internet of the Fokker's landing in the ash at Hoskins and Tokua. I did not see anu of the "Roller" engines being changed!
Gobble, gobble!

Fokkers are great aircraft, no doubt, but they were never designed to do 12-14 hours of utilisation per day flying up and down the east coast, with the occasional back-of-the-clock transcon in as well. Look back 10 years ago and there was a reason that QQ would go and buy another couple of frames whenever they got a new contract that would add 1-2 flights per week. The values of the type meant it was cheap for them to do, and at some point when an E190 or another similar jet gets there, they will start replacing them.
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Old 1st May 2020, 23:26
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aren't most of Alliance fleet parked Friday to Sunday, except for a few that were doing VA RPT ops ?

That's a lot of aircraft that could be doing busy Friday & Sunday pm ops.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 00:03
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aren't most of Alliance fleet parked Friday to Sunday, except for a few that were doing VA RPT ops ?

That's a lot of aircraft that could be doing busy Friday & Sunday pm ops.
You canít get far running a weekend only airline. And the F100 is ill-suited for any holiday charter destinations.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 00:30
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Ohh look heís talking to himself again. Did the conversation die in the ass TT738?
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Old 2nd May 2020, 00:44
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
You canít get far running a weekend only airline. And the F100 is ill-suited for any holiday charter destinations.
no but a smaller VA will have to do more with less & the regional routes will suffer. Alliance have already done quite a few of VAs thin routes.

Fokker 70/100s could be used Fri & Sun pm, not with 30 min turns, but maybe til late.

VFR traffic will fly late. Tourists both domestic & international want to fly to places like CNS.

Less supply means higher fares which tourism industry doesn't need. They need as much supply as possible.

If I remember correctly during pilots dispute, Keith Williams chartered Lloyd aviations F28 so HTI wasn't left with no flights. Not sure how many flights the F28 did a week into HTI.
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Old 2nd May 2020, 23:10
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QQ must be looking at a number of expansion opportunities right now.

On a slightly separate topic, air travel in USA doesn't seem to have any restrictions
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wor...02-p54p6g.html

surely this would mean, that our domestic air travel can get back to some sort of normal very quickly, which is probably why VA administrators, want to get it sorted ASAP, otherwise QF will grab market share. If VA not sorted fast, surely that leaves the gate open for QQ & other airlines to start filling the void.

Does QQ have any aircraft parked, that could be brought back online very quickly ?
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Old 3rd May 2020, 00:59
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TT738 you continue to advocate this line but why would Alliance even want to move in to large scale RPT, and the associated risks and complexities? They are consistently profitable with little debt and are seeing increased demand in their existing business due to social distancing. If VA falls over then they will almost certainly pick up more contracts in their chosen niche. Changing from charter to RPT is a totally different ball game... just because a market opening exists doesn't mean that it's a responsible business decision to fill it.
Also lets not forget QF owns 19.9%....
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Old 3rd May 2020, 01:36
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Fokker jets were built for one hour sectors around Europe,20 mts climb,20 mts cruise 20 mts descent.They were not designed for long sectors,so the FIFO contracts would include that inefficiency in their pricing plus the old generation RR Speys are very thirsty by modern standards.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 08:15
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The Fokkers don't have Speys - they are RR Tays
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:27
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Sorry RR - Tayís.The F28 had Speyís.
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Old 4th May 2020, 00:37
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Originally Posted by lc_461 View Post
TT738 you continue to advocate this line but why would Alliance even want to move in to large scale RPT, and the associated risks and complexities? They are consistently profitable with little debt and are seeing increased demand in their existing business due to social distancing. If VA falls over then they will almost certainly pick up more contracts in their chosen niche. Changing from charter to RPT is a totally different ball game... just because a market opening exists doesn't mean that it's a responsible business decision to fill it.
Also lets not forget QF owns 19.9%....
or maybe QQ will do more thin routes for "new VA". Will be plenty of routes or routes at certain times/days that can't justify even a very cheaply leased B738 & besides new VA will almost certainly have less aircraft than VA had.

Don't think QQ lost much out of old VA. They must have bene paid very regularly.

Saw NRL used QQ F70 for charter NZ to Tamworth yesterday. Didn't think they had rafts etc. for extended overwater ops. Apparently they couldn't do a charter with F100 BNE/AKL/BNE with full load unless stopped at Norfolk for fuel.
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