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Old 24th Apr 2020, 04:04
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what about Alliance ?

If V2 doesn't happen for some reason & Alliance were to pick up VARA F100s (think VARA have 14) that would give them a huge Fokker fleet.

As far as aware, any Fokkers on FIFO contracts don't fly hard, so a certain % of F100s & F70s could be flown much harder & do any domestic routes now flown by VA jets, except East Coast to Perth & back, but think some F70s could do that.

SYD curfew going temporarily would mean they could fly into & out SYD maybe 0500-2359 with no risk of fines.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 04:12
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320. Great idea. No curfew in Sydney, awesome. You might want to give Paul stoddart a call.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 04:13
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That supposes that QQ actually want to touch RPT, which I can imagine they wouldn't want to do unless somebody was handling the distribution or underwriting it. Their biggest opportunity would be to pick up the VARA business (or even just the contracts) and focus on those. Those Fokkers won't hold up well doing regular runs up and down the coast with multiple sectors, short turns etc. Plus, there is the small issue of Qantas holding the largest stake in QQ at the moment - subject to the ACCC investigation.
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Originally Posted by hotnhigh View Post
320. Great idea. No curfew in Sydney, awesome. You might want to give Paul stoddart a call.
if v2 doesn't happen, there will have to be a lot of back of clock flying. Remember around xmas 2001, there were lots of flights out of BNE & MEL very late.

All it takes is a decision by govt. saying it's an emergency to keep airfares low.

Bloody SYD curfew means no airlines (with possible exception fo QF) wants to schedule a flight arriving in SYD later than 2100 as aircraft might get stuck in SYD.

QF have aircraft parked at SYD overnight, that could probably be brought in at short notice, if inbound aircraft looked like arriving too late to meet current curfew & couldn't get out by 2300.
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Is it school holidays?
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Is it school holidays?
Well they’re all still at home and they all have computers at the moment, close enough.
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without V2, alliance & any other australian or NZ charter airline, along with air nz could fill some of the gap, before even letting in foreign carriers, like during pilots dispute. (obviously NZ is foreign but a special case as has traffic rights in OZ already)

Remember Yugoslavia airline JAT (DC10s I think), Air Méditerranée (737), RAAF & other carriers flying domestically filling void.

What did RAAF carry pax in ?
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 06:37
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
Bloody SYD curfew means no airlines (with possible exception fo QF) wants to schedule a flight arriving in SYD later than 2100 as aircraft might get stuck in SYD.
TT had 4 airframes overnight at SYD, JQ about 8-10, VA anywhere between 10 &15, whilst it's true that a disruption causes QF fewer issues it's still likely to cause issues.

Removal or even relaxation of the curfew, yeah, good luck with that one!
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What did RAAF carry pax in ?

HS748’s

Remember being instructed to not leave until I’d seen all the engines started as with the work those engines ( darts from memory ) where doing they where overtemping on startup a lot . We picked up many passengers after they offloaded .
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 07:18
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Originally Posted by missy View Post
TT had 4 airframes overnight at SYD, JQ about 8-10, VA anywhere between 10 &15, whilst it's true that a disruption causes QF fewer issues it's still likely to cause issues.

Removal or even relaxation of the curfew, yeah, good luck with that one!
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.

Maybe they could just get rid of fines but have no scheduled flights landing or departing after 2259.

It's crazy that if a pax fakes a heart attack at 2301, an aircraft near SYD can land without fine. Pax then has a sudden recovery & refuses medical help.
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Originally Posted by ebt View Post
That supposes that QQ actually want to touch RPT, which I can imagine they wouldn't want to do unless somebody was handling the distribution or underwriting it. Their biggest opportunity would be to pick up the VARA business (or even just the contracts) and focus on those. Those Fokkers won't hold up well doing regular runs up and down the coast with multiple sectors, short turns etc. Plus, there is the small issue of Qantas holding the largest stake in QQ at the moment - subject to the ACCC investigation.
Who said anything about RPT ? QQ could just do unlimited charters.

If they let JAT, Air Med in during pilots dispute, any OZ carrier would surely be allowed unlimited charter flights. Not up to CASA, up to transport minister, who would have tourism operators screaming at him for flights & therefore employment.

Of course QQ would need back up aircraft, but dont' they have 30 ish F70/F100s ? Add 14 of VARAs & you have nearly 50. Assuming 15-20 could be freed up, that's a decent fleet.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 07:30
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.
So the airline that Qantas owns 20% of, takes up the slack left by V2, and it is going to mean that these higher fares don't occur?

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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
Not up to CASA, up to transport minister, who would have tourism operators screaming at him for flights & therefore employment.
Ever heard of this thing called an AOC?
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 09:43
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey View Post
Ever heard of this thing called an AOC?
Monkey, BNE320 is simply a travel agent or aviation enthusiast, one of those, who has very little idea about the real world and comes up with all these stupid ideas that would not work. So no, he probably doesn’t understand what an AOC is.
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
if they don't get rid of SYD curfew in short term, then without V2, less capacity in & out of SYD & higher fares on average.

Maybe they could just get rid of fines but have no scheduled flights landing or departing after 2259.

It's crazy that if a pax fakes a heart attack at 2301, an aircraft near SYD can land without fine. Pax then has a sudden recovery & refuses medical help.
Thee should be higher fares to cover costs. Virgin has just proved that you can't sell $10 tickets for $9 and stay in business. As for Alliance as an option that is not on Scotty's radar...
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 11:09
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ebt !

Do some homework first; what a turkey you are ...
The Fokker 70, 100, F28, has been the backbone of Air Niugini for 40 years now in one variation or another.
Robust, reliable, can take enourmus punishment and they even fly very short sectors of of 15 to 30 minutes.
Take a look at the time expired airframes at Port Moresby on the rubbish dump. No modern aircraft can match a Fokker.

And as an added bonus PX ignored the volcanic ash warnings of recent times and there is plenty of video on the internet of the Fokker's landing in the ash at Hoskins and Tokua. I did not see anu of the "Roller" engines being changed!
Maybe you shouldn't live in the past. The reason Alliance have so many F100s is because they are tired and break down, The oldest RJ in Australia is younger than the youngest F100, and that's saying something. They're great for FIFO as they aren't worked hard and obviously cheap, but aren't up to the tempo of RPT.
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Could F50s return to WA with Alliance as well?
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 21:59
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Sigh. I sometimes wonder if the original poster is regaling us with snippets of his fever dreams.

Here's a gem that I had last night: Some bloke on gumtree was selling a low hour 737-800, mostly in QF colours, but it also had some army camouflage and one wingtip had Tiger stripes. Make of that what you will.
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Australopithecus, love to see a photo of that!
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:47
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Someone forget
  • Alliance is 19% owned by Qantas.
  • I doubt F70 and F100 seat/mile costs are lower than a modern B737 or Airbus seat/mile costs.
  • They would need a lot more than an extra 14 x F100's to even scratch the trunk route markets.
Airlines don't usually run a major domestic scheduled air service with aircraft over 24 years old, built by a company that went bankrupt and ceased operating 24 years ago.
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