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Old 20th Apr 2020, 17:24
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I have seen the documentary and it is indeed interesting, especially when the Americans were amazed at the high quality of glass the Chinese were producing and only wished that one day they could do the same in their US facility.

But the way the Chinese didn't care about planning for weather because the boss said it would not rain therefore it will not rain.

Priceless!
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 17:29
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What about the one that had a genocide of native Americans, was one of the last in the Western world to abolish slavery only after a civil war when half the country rebelled to keep slaves, cops who get incredibly trigger happy (the police murder of Australian expat Justine Damond in America recently is one great example) , an NSA spying regime, has bombed and invaded numerous nations for financial gain, has overthrown dozens of democratically elected governments to replace them with dictators when those democratically elected governments don’t toe the line, has the worlds highest prison population (total and per capita), has a much high murder and crime rate than most of the western world?

You could probably say that a nation that didn’t recognise its indigenous population as human beings until 1967 probably deserves to be in the same category as well.......
Aaaah , the self loathing purveyors of moral equivalence are still alive and well.
Remember this......
When Vietnam was partitioned 1954 900,000 Vietnamese fled south. 2,000,000 more were stopped by the Viet Minh.
Nobody risked their lives to climb over barbed wire to get INTO Hungary Poland or Czechoslovakia during the Cold War.
Nobody climbed over the Berlin Wall to get INTO East Berlin.
Meanwhile China killed 50 million of its own people in the Great Leap Forward and then another couple of million in the Cultural Revolution and millions more sent off to “re-education camps”.
And then there is the Gulag Archipelago......
Etc. Etc.
The USA made many mistakes. Nobody denies that. But the world would be a dismal place without it.
The world is about to find out what its like when the USA walks away.
And its going to be ugly. [/QUOTE]

>.........And during the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s the USA was a beacon of hope and courage for the rest of the world. The only restraint on the dead hand of communism.

Then, it f@#$ked up.

Now it wants to be world policeman.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 20:17
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The Italians were in the process of embracing China and separating from the “Evil USA” so were parts of Europe, who were ready to contract out to Huawei their 5G networks.......hows that working out so far ?
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:10
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again
I guarantee that our economic system will continue to exploit cheap labor unabated until the temple comes crashing down over our heads. Which it has started to do.
“And once we run out of Cambodias, Laos, Saipans, African States etc, - assuming China hasn't got there first- where do we turn to next?”
Ourselves, because at some point in the future, with wage purchasing power flat lining for ever, we will again become affordable and the world will have turned full circle as we return to serfdom.“
Automation and AI. And unfortunately that will come to the front end of the aircraft as well. CC may well still be needed though.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:51
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel
Automation and AI. And unfortunately that will come to the front end of the aircraft as well. CC may well still be needed though.
having seen Chinese coding in a range of
equipment, I wonít be going anything Chinese made in a safety critical environment.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Chiefttp
The Italians were in the process of embracing China and separating from the ďEvil USAĒ so were parts of Europe, who were ready to contract out to Huawei their 5G networks.......hows that working out so far ?

Well BT in the UK reckon they'll have to wait until at least 2023 to source equivalent kit to the stuff they CURRENTLY have installed from HuaWei.

So you can decide not to use Chinese gear and gradually fall further and further behind technology wise.......

Don't understand why people are in a fuss about Chinese technology but are happy to use US & Israeli kit .............
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 10:11
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Originally Posted by dr dre
What about the one that had a genocide of native Americans, was one of the last in the Western world to abolish slavery only after a civil war when half the country rebelled to keep slaves, cops who get incredibly trigger happy (the police murder of Australian expat Justine Damond in America recently is one great example) , an NSA spying regime, has bombed and invaded numerous nations for financial gain, has overthrown dozens of democratically elected governments to replace them with dictators when those democratically elected governments donít toe the line, has the worlds highest prison population (total and per capita), has a much high murder and crime rate than most of the western world?

You could probably say that a nation that didnít recognise its indigenous population as human beings until 1967 probably deserves to be in the same category as well.......
Damond was murdered by a Somalian immigrant who had been fast-tracked into the police force under a diversity scheme. In his two years as a police officer he had three formal complaints against him.
In 2015, two psychiatrists and other training officers raised concerns over his fitness for duty.
Two months before the shooting he pointed a gun at the head of a motorist he had pulled over for a minor traffic violation.
It cost the City Of Minneapolis $20 million to settle the subsequent lawsuit.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 12:41
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Originally Posted by kangaroota
Damond was murdered by a Somalian immigrant who had been fast-tracked into the police force under a diversity scheme. In his two years as a police officer he had three formal complaints against him.
In 2015, two psychiatrists and other training officers raised concerns over his fitness for duty.
Two months before the shooting he pointed a gun at the head of a motorist he had pulled over for a minor traffic violation.
It cost the City Of Minneapolis $20 million to settle the subsequent lawsuit.
Your point being? Doesn't matter where he was from or how bad his training was (I've read screening and training for US cops is very minimal) he was still a law enforcement officer in the USA who killed an unarmed, non threatening civilian. Police officers in the USA have a bad track record of shooting people who aren't armed, aren't posing a threat, and even some complying with orders. Is China worse? I'm not sure, stats say they shoot less but execute more. But China is meant to be an authoritarian dictatorship and the US supposedly the land of freedom. It's unquestionable the American police are more violent and disrespecting of due process than Aussie, NZ, Canadian, European and other East Asian police forces from democratic countries. The US shouldn't be held up as a beacon of democracy in that respect.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 19:54
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This thread has accelerated downhill at a ridiculous speed. Now we're discussing WW3
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 20:23
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The US shouldn't be held up as a beacon of democracy in that respect.
Very reasonable statement that can easily be argued sensibly Dre.
How important do you think democracy is? Do you think it is worth going to war to prevent the overthrow of democratic rule?
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 21:26
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Originally Posted by 73qanda
Very reasonable statement that can easily be argued sensibly Dre.
How important do you think democracy is? Do you think it is worth going to war to prevent the overthrow of democratic rule?
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Sure is. Communism is an evil agenda.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 00:35
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Your point being? Doesn't matter where he was from or how bad his training was (I've read screening and training for US cops is very minimal) he was still a law enforcement officer in the USA who killed an unarmed, non threatening civilian. Police officers in the USA have a bad track record of shooting people who aren't armed, aren't posing a threat, and even some complying with orders. Is China worse? I'm not sure, stats say they shoot less but execute more. But China is meant to be an authoritarian dictatorship and the US supposedly the land of freedom. It's unquestionable the American police are more violent and disrespecting of due process than Aussie, NZ, Canadian, European and other East Asian police forces from democratic countries. The US shouldn't be held up as a beacon of democracy in that respect.
My point being - this individual was appointed on the basis of his race, not necessarily his suitability. Seems a poor example to choose when cop bashing.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 08:17
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Sure is. Communism is an evil agenda.
I agree RedClaw.
I am just wanting to figure out what dr dre’s position is on democracy. I can see Dre is anti USA but am unsure what system of rule he supports/ thinks is best, and I’m keen to understand where he sits.
Dre?
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