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Old 19th Apr 2020, 13:01
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Housten, and the source of this news piece?
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Housten, and the source of this news piece?
The Sydney Morning Herald, 19/4/20.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 14:20
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The Sydney Morning Herald, 19/4/20.


"The Australian government had already shown a willingness to get ahead of the World Health Organisation, declaring COVID-19 to be a “disease of pandemic potential" on January 21, more than a month before the global body belatedly followed. But the travel ban would be a drastic move; it was against the advice of the WHO and would likely draw the ire of the Chinese government."

Politics and not so honest reporting. We announced our border closure to China after the US announced its closure and where is the source of most of our CV19 infections? The US, and we didn't close our borders with the US till we closed our borders to EVERY one else.

As to the way WHO have
responded with their wordings etc, that is typically of all international bodies, including the IMF, World Bank, OECD. They all are careful about their language and being critical. Did you hear the WHO being critical of US behaviour over HIV?

At the same time I wouldn't trust the CCP, but do I believe this (CV19) was deliberately let loose? No, this has wreaked havoc with their economy as much as anyone else. All the talk about China gaining from this (politically or economically) is just crap, done them more harm than good.
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If you’ve lost your career as a result of this monstrosity of government incompetence then get out and complain to your local politicians! You’ve been had royally. Who has benefited from this how the hell has this Wall Street bail out been accepted. The Federal reserve has started to buy Blackrock’s junk bond etf’s. Translation bailing out the rich no other way to say it.

Then you have this complete shill called bill gates who’s suddenly popped up everywhere trying to enforce mandatory vaccinations. Who the hell does he think he is. His bill and Melinda gates foundation is not a charity but an investment for him to profit from should governments follow his advice. Look at Robert F Kennedy comments about the man as well as many other independent scientists and whistleblowers. He has caused 1000s to suffer severe deaths/side affects from his vaccines in Africa/India. He is one of the biggest funders of the WHO which has proven itself a corrupt organisation. Do your own research! In the U.K. we have completely obliterated the economy thanks to the advice/modelling of Imperial College professor Neil Furguson and guess where this man gets his funding from Bill Gates. There were plenty of other professors from universities declaring that the numbers will be no where near as bad as what Imperial were forecasting and that the long term consequences of a continued shutdown would have a detrimental affect on the health of the population through austerity. Yet some of these were deemed tin foil hat conspiracy theorists through questioning the main stream narrative. We really have lost the plot where the population blindly follows the MSN without critical questioning. They were all playing down the virus to begin with now they just serve up complete hysteria and fear it’s just pure theatre. No credible reporting goes on at all.

But hey if you think this is all tosh then by all means continue your BBC / Sky news narrative and that all will be normal and that loads of people will be allowed and wanting to travel after this. Sadly and I really hope I’m wrong but your mistaken. It’s only when you’ve lost your livelihood through no fault of your own and reliant on government handouts which bypass you and go to their sponsors in the hedgefund world that you might start to question things. The government has never had your best interests at heart this has been a deliberate and manipulative attempt to take away independent business, destroy livelihoods and make everyone dependent on the state. If they really genuinely cared they wouldn’t have been systematically destroying the NHS over the years.

Anyway here’s Kay Burley with the latest headlines.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 15:31
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exfocx, I believe all of these organisations to be corrupt, whether they're manipulated by the Chinese or the US or the Eskimos. The UN is useless and as has been proven, the WHO.

I don't believe for one minute and won't be convinced that this virus was released intentionally by the Chinese. The incredibly stupid and ridiculous claims by parts of the Chinese machine that the virus was released by US Army personnel in Wuhan are just as stupid.

All I try and do is educate myself with all of the information available, keep an open mind and try and sort the ludicrous and conspiracy theories from fact.
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The US is the biggest financial contributor to the WHO, last year forking out $US553 million ($877 million) to its $US6 billion budget. Australia is set to give $5.3 million in membership dues this year, on top of voluntary contributions, while China will give about $28.7 million. Trump's decision to halt funding will play right into the hands of Beijing, which wants to model itself as a global health leader in the wake of the pandemic
So China contributes 0.5% to the WHO’s budget but secretly controls it over the country who puts 15% in?

For more than a decade, China has been quietly gaining more influence over UN bodies. Four of the 15 UN specialised agencies are headed by Chinese nationals. China now contributes 12 per cent of the UN's regular budget, the second-largest monetary contributor after the US.
So China, which is about 18% of the world’s population, heads up 25% of UN agencies and contributes 12% of the budget? Seems about right. If the China conspiracy theorists want to make up a good conspiracy make sure it makes sense.

They have more right to control more bodies than the country that constitutes 4% of the world’s population. America, at the most conservative estimate has bombed at least 30 countries all over the world since WW2. China’s only been involved in one major conflict they didn’t start on their doorstep (Korea) and some minor skirmishes with India and Vietnam that lasted days. China is exerting influence via airport, seaport, road, railway, school and hospital construction equipment, the US does it via a B-52 and a Predator drone. China has supplied Australia with medical equipment, the US is hoarding their own. So to answer this question:


Cut to the chase, you're told you have to live the rest of your life in China or the USA.

Which would you choose??
I would probably choose Coastal Southern California over Beijing but some of the small cities in the interior around Yuannan and Sichuan Province over the American South. I would live in Shanghai before any US city. I’ve travelled around both relatively undisturbed, however I saw far more police present cuffing people and checking IDs in the US than China. I can walk around most streets in China at any time of day without fear whereas most US street are deserted at night. I can drink a beer in peace at a street bar into the wee hours of the morning far more easily in China than the US with the added bonus of not worrying about some redneck exercising their “Second Amendment Rights”. I’d only really move to either for work and packages for expats are better in China than the US slave to the wage healthcare for profit system.

So if it was a choice between the two for life? China, for the deciding factor that the average Chinese gal is better looking and classier than the typical US single gal.

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Old 19th Apr 2020, 16:15
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Politics and not so honest reporting. We announced our border closure to China after the US announced its closure and where is the source of most of our CV19 infections? The US, and we didn't close our borders with the US till we closed our borders to EVERY one else.
At the time we closed our border to China, the US had 7 cases, China had 11,821. When it was closed to the US, they were at 7100 cases, China had 81,174.
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Jeffrey Epstein didn’t kill himself...
damn! You beat me to it!🤣🤣🤣
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 16:59
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So China contributes 0.5% to the WHO’s budget but secretly controls it over the country who puts 15% in?ty.
of course there is no chance that there would be any funding to organizations or individuals that wasn’t publicly disclosed. Thank you for pointing out the holes in the conspiracy.
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A major conflict with a nuclear armed power?

If anyone has forgotten the 20th century already and thinks that’s a good idea a movie to watch:
Nobody said it was a ‘good idea’.
If you would choose China over the States to spend the rest of your life then that says quite a lot.
Would you still choose it if the location was somebody else’s choice and you could end up in one of the Uyghur camps? Would you be able to sleep at night knowing all those children are being ‘re-educated’ in the camps? Do you support crimes like this?
Would it bother you that they’ve just made new rules about displaying religious symbols like a cross? ( hint....it doesn’t end well when you dictate what your citizens can and can’t display on the walls of their own lounge) .
Would it bother you that you might be able to drink beer into the wee hours on Wednesday but on Thursday and forever more it may be a crime punishable by imprisonment? Surely that lack of freedom and basic rights would make you uneasy about spending the rest of your life there.
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“Look at the recently released video footage of Australian SAS soldiers blatantly murdering unarmed civilians in Afghanistan, and tell me China won’t throw that back at us if we start to complain about their poor human rights record.”

Exactly. And remind me again what interests the Australian DEFENCE force has in the middle east, apart from fighting someone else’s war over energy control and greenback protection?

“China can not be allowed to pursue a policy of takeover by stealth”

China has no different vision for its place in the world than America or England before it. Spain, Portugal…..

Power and influence, access to raw materials, energy and labor.

Simply put, China wants to sit at the table and enjoy the spoils of globalisation that we have been enjoying.

The concerning thing about the rising rhetoric on this forum and in the wider community regarding the rise of China as a global player is the suggestion that they must be stopped with force.

As Dr Dre has pointed out, China is presently expanding its influence across the world in a much more neighborly way than the English did or the Americans did. I have not yet seen China engage in mass conflict in the way many other rising powers have in the past.

“…nothing can prevent a very major conflict in the near to medium future.”

I agree but for very different reasons.

“The Communist Party are the biggest mafia thugs on the planet.”

Really? I think the US Government and its lackeys in Canberra and London are. If anyone stands in the way of dollar hegemony we literally bomb the crap out of their country. Excuse me, we “liberate” them from dictators……

“Which side of this equation do you expect will more likely give?”

I guarantee that our economic system will continue to exploit cheap labor unabated until the temple comes crashing down over our heads. Which it has started to do.

“And once we run out of Cambodias, Laos, Saipans, African States etc, - assuming China hasn't got there first- where do we turn to next?”

Ourselves, because at some point in the future, with wage purchasing power flat lining for ever, we will again become affordable and the world will have turned full circle as we return to serfdom.

“The Federal reserve has started to buy Blackrock’s junk bond etf’s. Translation bailing out the rich no other way to say it.”

It is indeed, again an example of socialism for the wealthy and capitalism for the poor. And its also been suggested by some that the Treasury and Federal Reserve are now merged into a privatized operation managed by Blackrock.

“Cut to the chase, you're told you have to live the rest of your life in China or the USA. Which would you choose??”

I would refer you to the famous, yet probably inaccurate quote when someone was asked in the mid 1960’s how they felt about the French revolution.

“Its to early to say”.

My point being that today America is a pleasant place to live if you have money.

However, we are going to live through the replacement of the greenback as a foreign reserve currency and a dramatic collapse of fiat money that will have a profound impact on the US economy and the way of life here.

Coupled with a virus that is turning state versus state and Federal Government versus state with a heavily armed population who think they are being lied to, I suspect things here are going to turn very very very ugly.

So to answer your question, its too early to say.

























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Old 19th Apr 2020, 23:44
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The concerning thing about the rising rhetoric on this forum and in the wider community regarding the rise of China as a global player is the suggestion that they must be stopped with force.
The concerning thing is that the rising power of China is the rising power of a system that doesn’t allow for leaders to be held to account or removed by the people.
If any power, anywhere, doesn’t allow for the people to oust the leadership then eventually, once the wrong person is in charge, atrocities will occur on a large scale. The Ausi SAS goings on are not on the same scale as the problems that may be emerging.
If you think that a system like China’s can function indefinitely without ending in large scale atrocity then that is where you and I differ fundamentally and the reason we probably won’t be able to agree on how best to go forward.
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China kept it so quiet even their close neighbours, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, were completely blindsided and didn’t have time to test, trace and stock up on PPE.
That’s why their infection and mortality rates are on a par with US and Europe.

oh, wait.....



Maybe this Chinese narrative is being pushed by countries that had enough warning but still didn’t do anything until it was too late?
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 23:53
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There's still tinfoil available on the shelves, a few of you need to make some hats.
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There's still tinfoil available on the shelves, a few of you need to make some hats.
Sorry, we can't make anything ourselves. Need to order from China
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Would you still choose it if the location was somebody else’s choice and you could end up in one of the Uyghur camps? Would you be able to sleep at night knowing all those children are being ‘re-educated’ in the camps? Do you support crimes like this?
Would it bother you that they’ve just made new rules about displaying religious symbols like a cross? ( hint....it doesn’t end well when you dictate what your citizens can and can’t display on the walls of their own lounge) .
Would it bother you that you might be able to drink beer into the wee hours on Wednesday but on Thursday and forever more it may be a crime punishable by imprisonment? Surely that lack of freedom and basic rights would make you uneasy about spending the rest of your life there.
Would you choose the US knowing if you’re black or latino there’s a good chance you could spend years in prison for possessing something as minor as a wacky plant? (5x imprisoned per capita USA vs China)
Would you sleep at night knowing your government lied about the reasons for instigating a war which killed half a million Iraqis?
Doesn’t it concern you that the murder rate is almost 9x higher in the USA with the added bonus of a populace armed to the teeth? Would you feel safe sending your kids to a school where they make them walk through a metal detector to start the day?

Given Australia’s status as America’s lackey you could ask if any Australian should feel proud about living in a nation that follows without question America on their disastrous “wars for freedom” across the globe that’ve killed millions? Yet here we all are?

China’s just joining America in the games of superpowers. America is afraid of losing it’s place. That’s the propaganda you’re hearing.

you would choose China over the States to spend the rest of your life then that says quite a lot
What does it say? I’ve spent time in both countries (that are the 1st and 3rd largest in the world and incredibly varied amongst their own regions), and assessed that I could probably live in some specific regions in both countries quite happily, but I’ll go for the nation who’s women don’t get fed at Burger King as the deciding factor. Maybe if you have a desire to eat copious amounts of fast food and own an AR-15 the US would be your preference. Great.

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If any power, anywhere, doesn’t allow for the people to oust the leadership then eventually, once the wrong person is in charge, atrocities will occur on a large scale. The Ausi SAS goings on are not on the same scale as the problems that may be emerging.
Ask an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, an Iranian etc if it gives them comfort that that the SAS soldier who put a bullet in their father’s head/the Apache pilot who obliterated their brother with a 30mm cannon/the diplomat who instituted sanctions on medical supplies that their mother needed came from a democratic country? Though it really doesn’t matter because regardless of which party is in control in America or Australia the foreign policy is the same, we definitely don’t have a choice on that.

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Old 20th Apr 2020, 01:09
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Ask an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, an Iranian etc if they think their own governments have any culpability in this ??
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I’ll go for the nation who’s women don’t get fed at Burger King as the deciding factor.
I’ll go for the nation that hasn’t had a Great Leap Forward, a Cultural Revolution, a Tiananmen Square massacre, ‘social credit points’, a million Uighurs in concentration camps and a communist dictatorship as the deciding factor. But each to their own. I’m not that keen on either option myself, but it seems that only one of them has a heap of people desperate to migrate there.
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