Seniority

[normanton]

Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket

You should know the answer to that one by now Krusty.
” It’s not what you know , but who you blow !”

Is that where you got your name idea from?

[KRUSTY 34]

Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket

You should know the answer to that one by now Krusty.
” It’s not what you know , but who you blow !”

I don’t know if that’s the case here, but it still should be looked at?

[KRUSTY 34]

Originally Posted by normanton

Is that where you got your name idea from?

No Norm’.

Nothing as entertaining as that!

[Going Nowhere]

If it’s over at the red-tailed mob then it’s all been explained to both the feds and the pilot group.

[KRUSTY 34]

Originally Posted by Going Nowhere

If it’s over at the red-tailed mob then it’s all been explained to both the feds and the pilot group.

As I said, a senior F/O at another airline.

[Blueskymine]

Originally Posted by maggot

I find them perplexed how all their wives turned out to be total bitches yet they're immaculate.

Marrying the Filipino. Russian or Thai girls got
to be true love though. Especially when they’re half your age and hot.

[George Glass]

Originally Posted by j3pipercub

Ah George,

2 things

Firstly, I made a sweeping statement about your generation that you felt needed rebutting obviously. You stated I was wrong, I am merely replying to your response. I am not angry, you may be projecting.

Secondly, you know you've lost an argument when you have to resort to personal attacks about someone else.

You have a nice life now champ. I will not be engaging in debate with you directly anymore.

j3

Good on you J3 , the feeling is mutual.
But you didn’t answer the question did you?
Any objective third party would detect the emotion in your texts. Either way I felt the need to rebut your inter generational abuse simply because not only is it ill informed but just plain rude and ultimately very destructive. Nothing personal.

And please don’t bother with the amateur psychology. It make you look silly in the eyes of those of us that have qualifications in the subject.

Bye

[a1anx]

Demographic

It would be wise to preserve a viable demographic in the retained workforce. Applying basic seniority won't achieve this.

[Ollie Onion]

I think what is clear from this whole debacle is that in this case Seniority is a bad system for the Airlines and a good system for the pilots. Take Air NZ, their most productive fleet going forward is the A320 crewed by the most Junior Pilots, if the bottom 387 do get made redundant the that is almost every A320 FO. You are now left with the most expensive pilots on fleets with little to no work being paid in full with the fleet that can fly having no crew. So down training now begins at a massive cost to the airline in both time and money, at a time where cash burn is king they are forced to do things in the most inefficient way. Qantas is lucky I the respect they can just place people on LWOP and can selectively bring certain fleets back as required with only needing to retrain when fleets or people are cut. So in Air NZ seniority may give the senior pilots a bit of safety but ultimately puts the airline at greater risk of failure which in the long run is not good for any of the pilots. The caveat being is no one saw an event like this happening and we may not see another one in our lifetimes.

[WINJA]

I've heard all this 3am whiney self entitled millenial drivel at 30W many times whilst at the same time clearly demonstrating confidence far in excess of ability.

Wait your turn for command, we all did. ​​​

[cloudsurfng]

Originally Posted by WINJA

I've heard all this 3am whiney self entitled millenial drivel at 30W many times whilst at the same time clearly demonstrating confidence far in excess of ability.

Wait your turn for command, we all did. ​​​

good chance they see you the same way. Can certainly be evident when an attempt (or multiple attempts) is made to come ‘back’ to the ‘light training twin’. Sleeping across the pacific for 25 years does not equal experience, or competence.

speaking as Gen X.

[Asturias56]

"It would be wise to preserve a viable demographic in the retained workforce" - very wise words - no point in having a airline where a large number of crew will disappear all at the same time

[WINJA]

Originally Posted by cloudsurfng

good chance they see you the same way. Can certainly be evident when an attempt (or multiple attempts) is made to come ‘back’ to the ‘light training twin’. Sleeping across the pacific for 25 years does not equal experience, or competence.

speaking as Gen X.

Interesting you mention the light twin. I'm currently flying one now, also training guys. Finished up on the jets in 2015. Horses for courses I guess and very enjoyable. BTW, 30W isn't the Pacific...

[cloudsurfng]

Originally Posted by WINJA

Interesting you mention the light twin. I'm currently flying one now, also training guys. Finished up on the jets in 2015. Horses for courses I guess and very enjoyable. BTW, 30W isn't the Pacific...

touchč.......

[Angle of Attack]

I think the whole bull**** argument going on here is that the Longhaul pilots are fu$ked, nothing will happen for at least a year, in fact the global economy could be so $hitfaced that not much happens until COVID-22 in 2025. Stand down has no time limitations, they will stand you down until they need you. It’s the one time in history that the gravy train is looking down the abyss, because nothing is gonna happen internationally for a year and a half. Cornered dogs get angry, but I believe WW3 is imminent,
Russia will join with China, and nukes will be employed, COVID-19? That’s a tea party compared to the future, this is world order changing stuff. Give it to October, that’s when war will break out. Unless you have a bailout plan seniority won’t mean **** once the nukes start hitting. And you think I’m mad?
Was watching the ABC news yesterday and the main banner said “VIRGIN AUSTRALIA COLLAPSES”
and under it “Oil prices go negative for first time in history”

If I posted those headlines 3 months ago people would call me mad....be careful we are in a transition here and to be honest jobs do t mean **** it’s a power struggle. And we are stuck in the middle.

Now I’ll have a strong black tea with a hint of lemon....😂

[Hoosten]

FFS, I finally get time to build a shed, get all my tools in one place and these rat ****as are going to nuke it in October.

[exfocx]

Originally Posted by coaldemon

If you don't understand Franking credits then no problem but essentially you shouldn't be taxed twice inside an Investment/ revenue stream.
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Not correct not if you're referring to someone getting FC inside super in retirement.

[normanton]

Originally Posted by mohikan

Some posters have become absent from both this forum and Qrewroom because having begged flight training for a job and pointed out how much they supported the last EBA Qantas agreed with them and they are still employed full time whilst other more senior pilots remain stood down.

What's your beef here mohikan? Qantas? Flight training? Qrewroom? AIPA? More "senior" pilots? S/Os?

Its hard to tell with the amount of bull**** that comes out of your mouth.

[Green.Dot]

There appears to be a few people who seem to be “gleeful” about the potential redundancy scenario going off fleet or by pure seniority. Let’s not forget that if and where the axe falls it is going to be painful for those involved. Let’s just hope it doesn’t happen.

[Ragnor]

Its all good, QF wont axe anyone they will let natural attrition take its course or simply just leave crew on stand down until needed. The AL and LS accrual will be much cheaper than a redundancy payout and when it ramps up again they have crew its win win. Just enjoy the time off and be thankful you're not American.