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Old 13th Apr 2020, 23:57
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To the Captains in the 60 plus band who would have otherwise retired because their 5 million is super is only worth 3 million now, please still retire! You will still live comfortably. You donít need to drive a Merc anymore- trade it in for the Hyundai, they make good cars.

You have had a good run (actually a great run over the last 30 plus years), let the guys and girls with mortgages and young kids have their turn. (Assuming there are any scraps left at the end of this).

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Old 14th Apr 2020, 00:33
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let the guys and girls with mortgages and young kids have their turn
Career progression is not about letting someone 'have thier turn'.
I'm at best halfway through my career and wouldnt expect anyone at the top to step down out of kindness.
If anyone 'wants thier turn' there are (where) plenty of opportunities overseas. If you want to float in the slow moving pool of progression in Australia then live with the consequences, or dont have kids/mortgage. I have, and it's fine by me.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 00:34
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$5 million super you can’t be talking about Qantas pilots then.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 00:52
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Green.Dot - Many older pilots do not have the stunning amounts of super that you fantasize about. They have just as much right to continue working as younger pilots.

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Old 14th Apr 2020, 01:14
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Originally Posted by Des Dimona View Post
Green.Dot - Many older pilots do not have the stunning amounts of super that you fantasize about. They have just as much right to continue working as younger pilots.
I would be surprised if there was any pilot in Qantas with that amount of super.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 01:17
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Super would have been divided up a few times with a few ex wives over the years! Super value these days is dropping faster than a 'Max' -) Don't forget guys all this 'free money' the corrupt Govt are handing out now means HIGHER cost of living for all of us especially those that are about to retire!
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 01:22
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Super would have been divided up a few times with a few ex wives over the years! Super value these days is dropping faster than a 'Max' -) Don't forget guys all this 'free money' the corrupt Govt are handing out now means HIGHER cost of living for all of us especially those that are about to retire!
Still along way off the mark, keep trying.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 01:50
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
I would be surprised if there was any pilot in Qantas with that amount of super.
Are you calling the 380 captain who was boasting over dinner in LAX about his super only a few months ago a liar?

Something about still having to pay off his second wife or something. Can't really remember. There was just so much verbal diarrhea.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 01:54
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Originally Posted by angryrat View Post
Iím looking forward to you and mmmmbop starting a thread on Qrewroom asking the senior blokes to retire? No? Thought so.
Sure, just as soon as those senior folks start a thread demanding a job on the "light twin" because of their "seniority".
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 02:08
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
To the Captains in the 60 plus band who would have otherwise retired because their 5 million is super is only worth 3 million now, please still retire! You will still live comfortably. You donít need to drive a Merc anymore- trade it in for the Hyundai, they make good cars. You have had a good run (actually a great run over the last 30 plus years), let the guys and girls with mortgages and young kids have their turn. (Assuming there are any scraps left at the end of this).
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I canít believe that this shite is for real? Has to be one of Alanís poodles trolling to create a division amongst the Drivers, surely. Mate, seriously, $5m in Super?? Could be one or two worth that, but not many, and if so itís only because theyíve been smart with their money and havenít pissed it away on bad investments or on the type of shit that Gen Y (or whatever they are today) indulge in. Typical Generation who donít want to start or stay on the bottom rung, but want to start on the top rung. Those older Pilots you talk about also spent a good decade in the RHS mate before becoming a Captain. Settle down and wait your turn, thatís the way it has always been. If the tables were turned would you agree to being pushed out the door so some younger ungrateful selfish f#ck could pay off his overinflated mortgage and matching SS Commodores and matching Jetskiís blah blah blah. I hope the ollder Pilots stay sonthat the likes of you have to move to Russia or Africa to gain their prized coveted command!!!


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Old 14th Apr 2020, 02:08
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Perhaps that waterfront retirement in Sydney or the on Gold Coast will end up being taken in an Asian country instead ? $$$ go a lot further in Thailand, Malaysia or the Philippines.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 02:14
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There are a few who should eff off. Not because they are old, but because they are absolute bell ends. Should have gone 20 years ago. Mostly though, the old blokes in SH are pretty freakin awesome to fly with.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 02:16
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
I canít believe that this shite is for real? Has to be one of Alanís poodles trolling to create a division amongst the Drivers, surely. Mate, seriously, $5m in Super?? Could be one or two worth that, but not many, and if so itís only because theyíve been smart with their money and havenít pissed it away on bad investments or on the type of shit that Gen Y (or whatever they are today) indulge in. Typical Generation who donít want to start or stay on the bottom rung, but want to start on the top rung. Those older Pilots you talk about also spent a good decade in the RHS mate before becoming a Captain. Settle down and wait your turn, thatís the way it has always been. If the tables were turned would you agree to being pushed out the door so some younger ungrateful selfish f#ck could pay off his overinflated mortgage and matching SS Commodores and matching Jetskiís blah blah blah. I hope the ollder Pilots stay sonthat the likes of you have to move to Russia or Africa to gain their prized coveted command!!!
A whole decade in the RHS?


More entitled boomer snowflake BS
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 02:37
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Originally Posted by angryrat View Post
There is nobody on here saying that except for a rumour from someone who is asking them to retire. Gee I hope I donít share a flight deck with such an entitled pilot. The same pilot that asked all the senior pilots to secure flying for them, which they then did, only to have a knife in their backs as soon as things got difficult.

In life, people show their true colours when life gets difficult. Your thirst for fellow pilots blood is noted.
Oh please. Get real. It's only a minority. I recommend you get onto some webinars and listen to the questions indirectly being asked. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what they are actually asking.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 03:06
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Who gives a s#$t how much super they have. I hear some S/O’s gloating about how much money they make. Being a W-Anchor is not exclusive trait of senior pilots. Again, Why should they retire just because the junior people want them to? Get over yourselves. No matter what you may think of yourselves, you are not that important to anybody else. FFS.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 03:24
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Given that there are no reliable forecasts, (at least none that I am willing to rely on yet), as to where inflation will be going in the future, I would think that early retirement would be quite a gamble.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 03:49
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This is almost as funny as 20 somethings crying about having a turn in the backseat of the dugong.

ĎItís not fair that the senior guys hang around and we wonít get a turn before it goesí.

If the old fellas want to stick around. All the power to them. It sucks for us, but if you listen to them, you might learn a thing or two for when your turn comes.

Anyway keep up the good work. This thread is giving sweet relief to the boredom.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 03:59
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Originally Posted by c173 View Post

Why don't those 55+ year old senior captains give up the 40ft retirement yacht and retire a couple of years early with plenty in property, super etc?

Those at the bottom of the seniority lists are the ones that will suffer the most in this crisis. Most have young families, fresh mortgages and started flying at a young age with little/no other skills .

​​​There is always two sides to this. Those 55 year+ Captains have only got a couple of years left and are unlikely to get hired anywhere else, and the new guys have got another 30 years in them and are way more hireable.

Seniority is a double edged sword. Without it, cronyism and nepotism creep in, with it everyone gets a crack at the top jobs, even the ones who struggle with their checks.
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 04:10
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Me thinks the vocal minority who whinge about people above them not moving on will be the very ones who themselves dont move on when their time comes to otherwise step aside
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Old 14th Apr 2020, 04:12
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I think a lot will be persuaded to retire by circumstance. A lot of pilots on 4 engined fleets are looking at a lot longer than 6 months off work. For many it'll be closer to when replacement aircraft arrive, which could be until 2023 when the A350 arrives.

So if you're late 50's/early 60's, you're going to be looking at several years without flying before having to complete a full type rating and return to work for just a few years back in the F/Deck anyway. Will the time off spent on the farm/at the holiday house up the coast/doing the lap of honour in the caravan etc maybe convince them that red eyes/jet lag/sims is something for the younger crowd and to hang up the hat for good?
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