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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:10
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Big financial hit for A380 pilots for the next 6 months, with no overtime they will struggle to make more than Shorthaul crew.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
Big financial hit for A380 pilots for the next 6 months, with no overtime they will struggle to make more than Shorthaul crew.
wow what an arrogant comment....or did I just get baited
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 12:34
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Jeps: It is obvious you are not a reader of eturbonews.com. A recent headline says Emirates Airlines about to shut down due to Coronavirus?.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 14:21
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Originally Posted by B772 View Post
Jeps: It is obvious you are not a reader of eturbonews.com. A recent headline says Emirates Airlines about to shut down due to Coronavirus?.
Tried to search for this story. Was you joking ?
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 16:47
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Things seem to be going from bad to worse for QF

QF close Singapore lounge
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Blueskymine View Post
Problem is they will make more money running the 787s full while the A380s are parked up.
Iíd be surprised if they do reactivate them to be honest. Itíd almost be better to run a second 787 and up-gauge when the 350s come, than bring back the big bird.
Seriously ? If true Emirates is toast...
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 20:17
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Thank You China
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 21:27
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Thank You China
You'll have more to thank them for once they ramp up their 'foreign aquisition' program- cheap foreign assets bought during a worldwide recession. Maybe even a national carrier or two.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 05:33
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Qantas now has 2,000 surplus crew (crew that it does not need) as a result of the capacity changes. This could be bad news for some over the horizon. Suspect VR's will start, before forced, if they decide not to hold out...

EK will just down size their routes to the B777


Except EK has 142 A380's. Not so easy compared to 12. That is a lot of crew, and a lot of metal. They will feel a lot of pain - but they'll be fine. No ME government will ever allow their national carrier to collapse. Never going to happen.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 06:16
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis View Post
Qantas now has 2,000 surplus crew (crew that it does not need) as a result of the capacity changes. This could be bad news for some over the horizon. Suspect VR's will start, before forced, if they decide not to hold out...



Except EK has 142 A380's. Not so easy compared to 12. That is a lot of crew, and a lot of metal. They will feel a lot of pain - but they'll be fine. No ME government will ever allow their national carrier to collapse. Never going to happen.
Ha! So you think Virgin will be alright yet qantas is about to start VRs? Interesting.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 06:20
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis View Post
Qantas now has 2,000 surplus crew (crew that it does not need) as a result of the capacity changes. This could be bad news for some over the horizon. Suspect VR's will start, before forced, if they decide not to hold out...
I think you mean 2000 staff across the entire company, not crew. In fact, according to another thread, SO recruitment is continuing UFN.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 06:34
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Ha! So you think Virgin will be alright yet qantas is about to start VRs? Interesting.


Yes. I believe VA will make it through. But that has nothing to do with QF and VR's. Why do you link them? VA is still shedding their labour force with the ~700 to be exited by EOFY. VA's capacity reductions are not on the same scale as QF since the business is primarily domestic. QF is dramatically adjusting capacity. They won't hold labour indefinitely. It's not what Qantas does. And yes - thanks TL - I meant to say 2,000 FTE (not specifically cabin/tech crew). QF always offers up VR's first during downturns. We're in one now.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 07:54
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QF wonít be offering VR as they need to retain as much cash as possible in an environment like this. VR is a long term investment.

Worst case scenario and we donít see things improve and redundancy becomes necessary then I imagine we would see last in, first out as they would be the cheapest.

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Old 11th Mar 2020, 09:30
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Except EK has 142 A380's. Not so easy compared to 12
115 A380s.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 09:59
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I hope not for the employee's sake - but I will hedge redundancies. They have always done it during every downturn (GFC/SARS/MERS etc.). Not replacing roles, no approvals for recruitment and VR's occurred last time.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 10:16
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VA are holding firm on their guidance given recently. PS was out today with media, and his right, his airline is predominantly domestic. His not seeing such large scale reductions yet on the domestic front. The $75m maximum impact still stands. This is predominantly Chinese domestic related, and what small international network they have related.

Alan has briefed the asx on his reductions. BUT He has not given an update on any financial figure yet. 100m? 200m? 300m?
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 13:02
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So who is going to get precedence, Airshows Downunder and their two-yearly show in Feb/Mar 2021 at Avalon or Qantas and their grounded A380s?
Can't see how there would be room for both, unless the A380s are parked on the grass!
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 13:26
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
VA are holding firm on their guidance given recently. PS was out today with media, and his right, his airline is predominantly domestic. His not seeing such large scale reductions yet on the domestic front. The $75m maximum impact still stands. This is predominantly Chinese domestic related, and what small international network they have related.

Alan has briefed the asx on his reductions. BUT He has not given an update on any financial figure yet. 100m? 200m? 300m?
True, but standby for the domestic contagion. ANZ bans on domestic travel announced today, expect the other banks to follow.

This will be survival of the fittest, and with $5B plus debt to only $650m equity, VA ainít looking like Michelle Bridges.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 11:58
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
So who is going to get precedence, Airshows Downunder and their two-yearly show in Feb/Mar 2021 at Avalon or Qantas and their grounded A380s?
All reports suggest the A380 grounding is only through to September 2020 at this stage.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 12:11
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With the government advice announced today expect whole lot more international
cuts coming
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