QANTAS EA10 BUSTED.......A SECRET RIN
Normantons posting history gives the game away. Staccato posts on recruitment and non controversial subjects from 2014, then all of a sudden, in Dec. 2019 he goes off on Project Sunrise and your EBA. Almost all posts are made during working hours or the evening.
Draw your own conclusions.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Lots of smoke and mirrors and ducking and weaving from the questions at play fellas.
Can't put together a decent argument for a NO vote.
Lots of scaremongering comments aimed at distracting the younger generation of pilots from the real threat at play here.
Then when the hard questions get asked, you start shifting the blame to insider "management moles" posting on pprune!
Unbelievable!
Can't put together a decent argument for a NO vote.
Lots of scaremongering comments aimed at distracting the younger generation of pilots from the real threat at play here.
Then when the hard questions get asked, you start shifting the blame to insider "management moles" posting on pprune!
Unbelievable!
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Normantons posting history gives the game away. Staccato posts on recruitment and non controversial subjects from 2014, then all of a sudden, in Dec. 2019 he goes off on Project Sunrise and your EBA. Almost all posts are made during working hours or the evening.
Draw your own conclusions.
Draw your own conclusions.
Happy to sell out the next generation of pilots now though! Another couple of EBA’s with Normanton’s leadership and QF SOs will be paying for their “endorsements” also.
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Let me guess jet_pilot0. You of course didn't vote YES to LH EBA 9 to bring in the SO B scale.
Thanks for highlighting my post, you buy right into my point.
Hire SO's under the mainline LH EBA, or hire them under a new entity. PICK ONE!
Please answer me this (no one has yet). What happens to the future LH EBA conditions when we have a new entity undercutting at every chance?
I know which conditions will be better. Learn when your opposition has the upper hand. Use your brain, and vote wisely.
I won't be getting into petty discussions with people who try to distract from the real issues at play here. Smoke and mirrors all around. I'm yet to see you write a valid point worth talking about.
Thanks for highlighting my post, you buy right into my point.
Hire SO's under the mainline LH EBA, or hire them under a new entity. PICK ONE!
Please answer me this (no one has yet). What happens to the future LH EBA conditions when we have a new entity undercutting at every chance?
I know which conditions will be better. Learn when your opposition has the upper hand. Use your brain, and vote wisely.
I won't be getting into petty discussions with people who try to distract from the real issues at play here. Smoke and mirrors all around. I'm yet to see you write a valid point worth talking about.
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There is a huge number of Aussie pilots across the Globe, and back here, who are salivating at the idea of a crack at a QF A350 operation.
Many see this as:
More days off
more time at home
no expat bs
stable employer
oh, and at circa $400k for a Captain, no too bad on the coin.
Many see this as:
More days off
more time at home
no expat bs
stable employer
oh, and at circa $400k for a Captain, no too bad on the coin.
There is a huge number of Aussie pilots across the Globe, and back here, who are salivating at the idea of a crack at a QF A350 operation.
Many see this as:
More days off
more time at home
no expat bs
stable employer
oh, and at circa $400k for a Captain, no too bad on the coin.
Many see this as:
More days off
more time at home
no expat bs
stable employer
oh, and at circa $400k for a Captain, no too bad on the coin.
Currently there’s plenty of Aussies working in countries that don’t have Aus regulations and industrial protections. Anyone think they’ll say no to this deal?
Anyone think current Airbus and widebody Captains will knock back a direct entry command?
If any current pilots think the terms are so unacceptable in the current market that no one will operate under them then they’re living in a bubble.
If any current pilots think an extra few days work per year is unviable then don’t forget a lot of other airlines don’t count full time in the bunk towards flight hours, they’re actually logging heaps more than 850hrs per year. For them the proposed 350 conditions are less work and fatigue.
There will be zero problem finding pilots for this new entity if the vote is No.
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Agreed.
A vote No is a vote to end your career as the aircraft get retired.
there are pleeeeeeenty of Network, JQ, Qlink, cobham and an abundance of pilots who live overseas who would be stoked to get paid $400k to captain a jet on a LH flight.
qantas guys, if you don’t like it, don’t opt in. No one is forcing you.
A vote No is a vote to end your career as the aircraft get retired.
there are pleeeeeeenty of Network, JQ, Qlink, cobham and an abundance of pilots who live overseas who would be stoked to get paid $400k to captain a jet on a LH flight.
qantas guys, if you don’t like it, don’t opt in. No one is forcing you.
A vote No is a vote to end your career as the aircraft get retired.
there are pleeeeeeenty of Network, JQ, Qlink, cobham and an abundance of pilots who live overseas who would be stoked to get paid $400k to captain a jet on a LH flight.
there are pleeeeeeenty of Network, JQ, Qlink, cobham and an abundance of pilots who live overseas who would be stoked to get paid $400k to captain a jet on a LH flight.
What about the 4 digit QF freighter callsigns out of BKK?
Always with a Seppo accent.
Let’s be honest here, do you really think Qantas are giving LH pilots a chance to vote on an agreement with Sunrise flying included because of their loyalty to the LH pilot group?
If the savings were that great using an external pilot group and the costings are that critical Qantas Management would have established it already, remember you are dealing with a group that has zero industrial morals and absolutely no respect for any of its group pilots.
The destruction of the LH award has been one of Joyce’s dreams ever since he took the controls from Dixon, and Tino is frothing at the mouth at getting the chance to impress his master by destroying it.
If the savings were that great using an external pilot group and the costings are that critical Qantas Management would have established it already, remember you are dealing with a group that has zero industrial morals and absolutely no respect for any of its group pilots.
The destruction of the LH award has been one of Joyce’s dreams ever since he took the controls from Dixon, and Tino is frothing at the mouth at getting the chance to impress his master by destroying it.
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If people are not divining the alteration in circumstances, they are fools. COVID-19 / Coronavirus is likely to become a non-insurable event globally within a very short space of time, it has already begun in NZ.
source A review of things you need to know before you go home on Tuesday; Kāinga Ora changes rates, car sales up,log prices slump, Govt. warns banks, RBA cuts, swaps recover, NZD up, & more
Expect leisure travel demand to be in freefall. Likely timeframe? 18 months to 2 years.
NZ is considering implementing a travel restrictions from Australia. Coronavirus: PM did not rule out trans-Tasman travel restrictions as first person-to-person transmission in Australia
If people haven't already put two and two together, the Aviation industry is facing a far larger crisis than 9-11, SARS and the GFC combined. I have no doubt that within months of a yes vote, AIPA will be sitting down at the table to work out how to manage pilot numbers to keep everyone with some income until we move to the next phase after the initial wave has passed around the globe.
A no vote at this point? A new entity for the A350 and an invitation to go to FWA and ask for the agreement to be terminated under the cloak of the virus. You may wish to google Aurizon 2015 case, there is a precedent for FWA to unilaterally cancel an expired agreement at an employers request.
Even though Alan has won this round through a combination of rat cunning and rank opportunism , it will still be a pyrrhic victory, he probably won't be able to save his bonus. Hard rain is coming to the industry, even for Alan.
Prepare and vote accordingly.
CORONAVIRUS IMPACTS NO LONGER AN INSURABLE TRAVEL EVENT
Insurance agents are reporting that insurance companies now deem coronavirus to be a ‘known event’ globally. Travel insurance purchased after 2 March no longer covers losses or additional costs associated with Covid-19; for example, Medical costs, Cancellation/Delay, Loss of deposits etc. anywhere in the world. Travel insurance still offers cover for other unforeseen events as outlined in individual policies - such as a broken leg, lost baggage or the impacts of a significant weather event.
Insurance agents are reporting that insurance companies now deem coronavirus to be a ‘known event’ globally. Travel insurance purchased after 2 March no longer covers losses or additional costs associated with Covid-19; for example, Medical costs, Cancellation/Delay, Loss of deposits etc. anywhere in the world. Travel insurance still offers cover for other unforeseen events as outlined in individual policies - such as a broken leg, lost baggage or the impacts of a significant weather event.
Expect leisure travel demand to be in freefall. Likely timeframe? 18 months to 2 years.
NZ is considering implementing a travel restrictions from Australia. Coronavirus: PM did not rule out trans-Tasman travel restrictions as first person-to-person transmission in Australia
If people haven't already put two and two together, the Aviation industry is facing a far larger crisis than 9-11, SARS and the GFC combined. I have no doubt that within months of a yes vote, AIPA will be sitting down at the table to work out how to manage pilot numbers to keep everyone with some income until we move to the next phase after the initial wave has passed around the globe.
A no vote at this point? A new entity for the A350 and an invitation to go to FWA and ask for the agreement to be terminated under the cloak of the virus. You may wish to google Aurizon 2015 case, there is a precedent for FWA to unilaterally cancel an expired agreement at an employers request.
Even though Alan has won this round through a combination of rat cunning and rank opportunism , it will still be a pyrrhic victory, he probably won't be able to save his bonus. Hard rain is coming to the industry, even for Alan.
Prepare and vote accordingly.
Currently there’s plenty of pilots making $0 per year due to the slowdown in international flying. Anyone think they’ll say no to this deal?
Currently there’s plenty of Aussies working in countries that don’t have Aus regulations and industrial protections. Anyone think they’ll say no to this deal?
Anyone think current Airbus and widebody Captains will knock back a direct entry command?
If any current pilots think the terms are so unacceptable in the current market that no one will operate under them then they’re living in a bubble.
If any current pilots think an extra few days work per year is unviable then don’t forget a lot of other airlines don’t count full time in the bunk towards flight hours, they’re actually logging heaps more than 850hrs per year. For them the proposed 350 conditions are less work and fatigue.
There will be zero problem finding pilots for this new entity if the vote is No.
Currently there’s plenty of Aussies working in countries that don’t have Aus regulations and industrial protections. Anyone think they’ll say no to this deal?
Anyone think current Airbus and widebody Captains will knock back a direct entry command?
If any current pilots think the terms are so unacceptable in the current market that no one will operate under them then they’re living in a bubble.
If any current pilots think an extra few days work per year is unviable then don’t forget a lot of other airlines don’t count full time in the bunk towards flight hours, they’re actually logging heaps more than 850hrs per year. For them the proposed 350 conditions are less work and fatigue.
There will be zero problem finding pilots for this new entity if the vote is No.
$400k for a captain for the "new" setup operation. People who believe that are delusional. I expect that captains will be on $250k or less and F/O's $150k or less. If they are so confident of getting the bums on seats, they will offer a crap deal. Don't think taking a crap deal and then trying to strongarm a better deal later will be an option.
Yes, I am one of those working overseas, on a contract, in a country where the employment rules are nowhere near as robust as Aus and the working conditions are "challenging" to say the least. eg, duty limit 15 hrs, with max flight time 12 hours, 2 crew ops, any time of the day or night.
tell them they are dreaming
$400k for a captain for the "new" setup operation. People who believe that are delusional. I expect that captains will be on $250k or less and F/O's $150k or less. If they are so confident of getting the bums on seats, they will offer a crap deal. Don't think taking a crap deal and then trying to strongarm a better deal later will be an option.
Yes, I am one of those working overseas, on a contract, in a country where the employment rules are nowhere near as robust as Aus and the working conditions are "challenging" to say the least. eg, duty limit 15 hrs, with max flight time 12 hours, 2 crew ops, any time of the day or night.
$400k for a captain for the "new" setup operation. People who believe that are delusional. I expect that captains will be on $250k or less and F/O's $150k or less. If they are so confident of getting the bums on seats, they will offer a crap deal. Don't think taking a crap deal and then trying to strongarm a better deal later will be an option.
Yes, I am one of those working overseas, on a contract, in a country where the employment rules are nowhere near as robust as Aus and the working conditions are "challenging" to say the least. eg, duty limit 15 hrs, with max flight time 12 hours, 2 crew ops, any time of the day or night.
1. why was the agreement cancelled?
2. what FW clauses allowed them (made it preferable) to cancel it? How old were the expired EA’s and how old is ours?
3. What tests have to be met to cancel an expired agreement?
4. What relevance does this case have for our particular EA?
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For the interest of others:
In the Aurizon decision, the employer applied to the Commission under section 225 of the Act to terminate 12 expired EAs (including one which was 17 years old)For example, the expired enterprise agreements contained clauses which:
- Prevented any forced redundancies;
- Either directly or indirectly imposed severe constraints and inefficiencies on the use and the allocation of train crew labour to train services;
- Limited the matters in relation to which individual flexibility arrangements could be reached to annual leave loading.
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Normantons posting history gives the game away. Staccato posts on recruitment and non controversial subjects from 2014, then all of a sudden, in Dec. 2019 he goes off on Project Sunrise and your EBA. Almost all posts are made during working hours or the evening.
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Let’s be honest here, do you really think Qantas are giving LH pilots a chance to vote on an agreement with Sunrise flying included because of their loyalty to the LH pilot group?
If the savings were that great using an external pilot group and the costings are that critical Qantas Management would have established it already, remember you are dealing with a group that has zero industrial morals and absolutely no respect for any of its group pilots.
The destruction of the LH award has been one of Joyce’s dreams ever since he took the controls from Dixon, and Tino is frothing at the mouth at getting the chance to impress his master by destroying it.
If the savings were that great using an external pilot group and the costings are that critical Qantas Management would have established it already, remember you are dealing with a group that has zero industrial morals and absolutely no respect for any of its group pilots.
The destruction of the LH award has been one of Joyce’s dreams ever since he took the controls from Dixon, and Tino is frothing at the mouth at getting the chance to impress his master by destroying it.
"Sorry Mr. Fairwork Ombudsman. We gave the pilots 3 dates to meet a deadline and they voted down the deal. That is why we went elsewhere"
Fair work: "Case dismissed".
A FWA case won’t make a decision on deadlines if it is voted down, it will be on the legality and the content of the agreement offered to the pilot group.
They are just targeting a section of the pilot group that they know are vulnerable to get this deal over the line. It’s typical Qantas.
the point I was trying to make is how CRAP many deals are out there and how this has been facilitated by people rolling over and accepting a bad deal to get ahead in the short term. In the long run, all they do is drive conditions lower and lower. I say, stand your ground! It is about time the WHOLE pilot community gets together and stops the rot. I know, I'm dreaming.
