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GT says fatal 737 MAX crashes caused by 'incompetent crew.'

Old 24th Jan 2020, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
How does that reconcile with news a company asking for more sim training for its MAX crews, and some Boeing Chief technical pilot talking them out of it and mocking them between colleagues ?
Probably because other companies had asked Boeing to make the MAX similar enough to the NG to require no additional training. With possible contract language attached (my assumption). So if enough people say they need extra training, maybe the FAA will catch on and tell everyone to get it. And Boeing would have to do an about face on the issue and maybe cough up some cash or simulator time to those that they made promises to.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:01
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GT is a national disgrace and anything he approves of is worthless. The fact that Boeing would stoop to giving a poisonous briefing a turd like GT also speaks volumes for the current culture of what was once a great company.

Every current and former employee of Boeing should feel ashamed. I’m stuck with tickets on a B787 later this year but if I could change to an Airbus I would. No more Boeing for me.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:07
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Any Canadian, US, European or Aussie crew would have dealt with the situation immediately.
What an appalling thing to say.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:15
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GT is a national disgrace and anything he approves of is worthless. The fact that Boeing would stoop to giving a poisonous briefing a turd like GT also speaks volumes for the current culture of what was once a great company.
So, what you're saying is that Boeing should have prevented a foreign national - who doesn't work for Boeing - from talking to the press.
Pretty sure that would be against the law...
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:17
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I would love to listen to the Ethiopian CVR. I'm sure it will just be full of the captain praying and his inexperienced first officer trying to solve it.
What an awful thing to say.

Trash talking dead aircrew. 😡
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by A320ECAM View Post
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Any Canadian, US, European or Aussie crew would have dealt with the situation immediately.

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Except when test in a simulator 20-30% of the superior "western crews" failed to recover the aircraft in the same situation
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Old Dogs View Post
What an awful thing to say.

Trash talking dead aircrew. 😡
He doesn't only trash talk dead aircrew. He trash talks the live one's too.

This bloke fits into the same category as GT. Ignorant, arrogant fool.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 23:55
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Some years ago I was in email contact with a Boeing Seattle simulator instructor who had just checked out on the Boeing 787 full flight simulator. In an email letter to me he described talking to one of the Boeing 787 test pilots. The test pilot told him "Boeing designed the 787 assuming it would be flown by incompetent pilots from airlines around the world. Hence the design included automatic features designed where possible to prevent the aircraft from crashing."

Now these may not be the exact words but that is how I remember the conversation. But the 'flown by incompetent pilots" I will never forget. The test pilot was right, though. And not necessarily only the 787, either..
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 00:46
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Originally Posted by EEngr View Post
Probably because other companies had asked Boeing to make the MAX similar enough to the NG to require no additional training. With possible contract language attached (my assumption). So if enough people say they need extra training, maybe the FAA will catch on and tell everyone to get it. And Boeing would have to do an about face on the issue and maybe cough up some cash or simulator time to those that they made promises to.
Boeing developed the MAX because they woke up and found they were second place to Airbus.

They had to get back in the game fast and at any cost.

Any cost ended up NO COST and a few Jedi's.

Lion Air wanted MAX simulator training and Boeing persuaded them not to - Ethiopian had one of the 3 MAX simulators in the World at the time of second crash.

Interestingly Southwest had the $1M per frame sim training deal (seems exclusively) - that suggests they had doubts, and it was a Boeing incentive idea not customers demand.

- In reply to another post, there are only 3 known MCAS events 2 Lion Air and 1 Ethiopian. The first Lion Air event took some time to disable and an extra pilot in the cockpit that assisted to deactivate it, it seems they reported it as STS running in wrong direction.

During the development of the MAX Boeing needed to make Rick Assessments and the results determinate what path to follow or what was required. These were not carried out "accurately".

So as example of this - What is the worst that could happen if I thrust this large knife into your chest?
Most of us would say the worst is it could be fatal, but Boeing would say you might get cut and need a band-aid.

That is how MCAS ended up on the MAX, acceptable as a low risk.

Now as you can see the band-aid needs to be replaced to address a possible fatal condition. The aircraft has been designed and built, and the first aid kit only contains a box of band-aids to work with. The gloves (the FAA) were foolishly throw away when the first band-aid was applied.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 01:24
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What we need to do is put the clown in a sim and give him the MCAS fault.......
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 02:08
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So, what you're saying is that Boeing should have prevented a foreign national - who doesn't work for Boeing - from talking to the press.
Pretty sure that would be against the law...
GT is spouting Boeing manufactured fake news.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 02:38
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There has never ever been a Boeing jet that puts Stabilizer trim commands in remotely. This is the crux of the deal, in a Boeing you fly it and donít expect any computer inputs. Airbus fine thatís a given, but not in a Boeing. This is a big deal and especially as it uses one sensor a disaster in the making.
Whats that phrase about letting people think you are a fool rather than making a statement and proving it. You didn't answer the question about the 777, or did you do some research and find out you should have kept your hand off the keyboard?
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:06
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It has been discussed ad-infinitum, how much of a moron this sorry excuse for a 'journalist' is.

- How many of you have contacted Channel 7 with expert evidence?
- How many of you have posed questions on his peurile website?
- How many of you spread it far and wide how useless, compromised and fraudulent his ratings 'system' is?

Put the moron and fraud out of business, just like the other moron and fraud at Moorabbin.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:13
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"The name is Porter" - There has been an increasing number of flight schools world wide
that rip off their students. There has also been an increasing trend to have a million
question FAQ that never ever spells out the hour cost.
Also increasing is the fraud committed upon gullible students paying up front
or getting nasty discoveries half way thru their training that means it is going to
cost them more than they were misled to believe.

Australia seems to have just experienced a jump in the number of flight schools
and coincident with that is , the presence of misleading websites that have all
the appearances of fraudulent misrepresentation.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:15
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Just say white, we all know what you mean
What an absolute load of shit, typical of leftist, alarmist, everything's a catastrophy garbage.

There are significant numbers of multiple race pilots in all of the countries mentioned. He DID NOT point to skin colour in this post. He is merely pointing out the robust training standards in these countries.

Crawl back into your 'I'm outraged' hole.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:19
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Senior Commercial, I don't have knowledge or experience of those overseas, just this a/hole. Not wanting to hijack this thread, lots of my thoughts on the other thread!
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:26
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The Name is Porter - I'm not quite sure who you are referring to at Moorabbin but suspect
its the most notorious one. While I'm overseas, I believe I had some phone contact
with them a while back and heard familiar sounds that told me to stay away.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 03:31
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You probably won't have any phone contact in the near future, I'd imagine they'll be cut off!
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 04:10
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Thomas is a media whore, the fake news media executives who pay his wages are his pimps and his clients are the fools who believe his crap and support him. He is nothing more more than a plane spotter who has taken an interest in planes to the next level in the world of plane spotter. He is not a SME and I would rather watch two snails f*****g than watch or listen to a word of the absolute shite that dribbles from his mouth.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 05:26
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Originally Posted by EEngr View Post
Lets be fair to Boeing. It was their customers that asked for similarity and no additional training from the 737NG. Boeing (or its subsidiaries) would have been more than happy to sell additional simulator time to cover 737 MAX differences. Adding an AOA disagree warning light to the baseline model would have required a procedure: What do we does that light mean and what do we do about it? And that means training. Even quietly handling the AOA sensor failure (with dual inputs) wouldn't work either, as changing the handling characteristics without notifying the flight crew would be unacceptable.
Surely the decision in regard to additional training should not be left to Boeing or it's customers but to a REGULATOR. Or is it that they don't want to get involved if possible and are happy to abrogate their responsibilities if able.?
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