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The F28-1000 operated its first RPT service in Australia 50 years ago today

Old 4th Sep 2019, 03:19
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I recall one statement warning that the F28 was a high sink rate aircraft
Pull the speed brakes and you'd soon find out what a high sink rate was. The F28 was the backbone of airline service in PNG rather than a feeder due to its high level of performance and the lower passenger numbers, as stated earlier the noise was incredible, the windows in the terminal used to vibrate when one taxied close by.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 03:59
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
..........and they were VERY loud in the crapper.
Just loud enough to drown out the noise huh?
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 06:27
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128 pax on a F28 from Darwin

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Gee how did that manage that? Good effort.
Amazing feat for a little Fokker...The charter airlines in Europe would have liked that capacity!

Also in 1974 during cyclone Tracey, an Ansett 727 (was it a 100 or a 200?) set a world record by lifting 311 passengers.
In 1975 a World Airways Boeing 727-173 made a flight with over 300 on board while being shot at and hit with hand grenades lifting off PDQ from Saigon (?)
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 06:43
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This guy got the record with 674 on a B747.

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/speci...a1ad0160e2641c

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Ryanair still trying to beat those records...
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Also in 1974 during cyclone Tracey, an Ansett 727 (was it a 100 or a 200?) set a world record by lifting 311 passengers.
727-277 VH-RMV 314 SOB Aviation in the Aftermath of Cyclone Tracy

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Old 4th Sep 2019, 12:32
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I remember as SLF at Kununurra around 1990 (maybe earlier) together with other PAX, helping to hand-push an F28 to get its bum out of the searing afternoon wind so the crew could get the engines started - tug / tractor was inoperative.

And then, of course, there was the famous diversion Broome - Derby - Fitzroy Crossing, running on fumes.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 15:21
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 15:56
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Great photo there of 5 Fokkers, plus a JAT Yugoslavia 707 behind?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 02:23
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
........plus a JAT Yugoslavia 707 behind?
I give up. How do you know that?

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Old 5th Sep 2019, 02:59
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Did I spy some Departmental "Golden Holdens" and Aerocommanders parked up in the background of the video?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 05:34
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The DC-3 in the background was either ANX or ANZ on "loan" to MMA a a freight backup.

As for the F-28, 10,000 hours, Australia, France, Belgium, all 1000, 2000 3000 4000 types, great times.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 08:34
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JAT 707

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I give up. How do you know that?
I expanded the photo and it certainly fits the JAT 707 idea - Also JAT flew many flights including charters to Australia, not just from BEG but other Yugo airports...
Their 707's and DC-10's were often seen ''down under...''
QF also had a 707 and 747 service through BEG.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 09:27
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
I expanded the photo and it certainly fits the JAT 707 idea .......
Reason I asked is that when I blow it up I can see sweet Fanny Adams.

But admit that it does, sort of, match JAT.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 23:59
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I remember the infamous starter on the totally unreliable Garret APU. Some pilots apparently left the right engine running at outports rather than risk trying to use the APU.
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I remember coming into BN in the F28 in the jump - and ATC advised for as much speed as long as possible. We were doing something like 300kts at about 8 dme(don't quote me but we were motoring, but the wind noise was biblical) - and the Captain pulls max speed brake, gear and flaps on the limits, and pissed it in. Turned around and said, try that in a 737. She was a cool machine. With the F28 and the 146 around at the time, they said it was a sports car vs a gravel truck.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 08:55
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Sunfish- I have no idea where that notion came from. I flew the F28 (with a couple of breaks) from 1986 until 2007. 17 different aircraft. During that time I never had the APU fail to start, and I found the unit to be totally reliable. We could operate under the MEL with the APU unserviceable, in which case the right hand engine was left running at turnarounds.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:00
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Puff- quite right! At medium landing weights, and a ten knot headwind, 320 knots to 8 DME on a straight in approach was easily achievable. VMO was 330.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
I remember the infamous starter on the totally unreliable Garret APU. Some pilots apparently left the right engine running at outports rather than risk trying to use the APU.
I concur with Cilba. I don't recall any dramas with the APU in the F28 on the west coast in the 80s. Must have been an east-coast thing. We may have had an "engine swap" procedure in case the APU wouldn't start but I never saw it. In the early days there was a procedure where another F28 would park skew-if across the rear end of the dead one, both connected by an bleed air pipe, to provide an air source to facilitate a rescue. I don't know whether that was still in fashion during the latter stages.

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"Buddy Starts" were used quite regularly in Air Niugini up until the death throes of the type.
I have tried explaining the procedure to my current compatriots and their eyes just glazed over.
More regularly was setting forth on a 6 sector day around the islands with an unserviceable APU and the fun of 'hot refueling' at every stop.
No wonder we were thirsty at the end of the day.
9000 hours on the F-28 and only wish I could turn the clock back for a few more!
F-28 1000/3000/4000 didn't matter, it just wanted to be flown fast.
PNG and an F-28 were a perfect pair.
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