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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Anyone would think this project was a manned mission to mars!

It is 2 hours longer than current longest sector, it is what? 3/4 hours longer than current QF longest sector...

I am all for Ts and Cs and crew compliment, however it really is not that complex... Or is it?

Yes I keep saying SQ, why? The did it for years in the 340!





Did/do SQ not do it with Two Captains and Two F/Os, not S/Os?

In that case it’s not complex at all. Heavy crews for Sched duty greater than 18.5, That sounds much more favorable!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:20
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QF JFK-SYD nonstop

World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off

https://www.rt.com/business/471228-worlds-longest-non-stop-flight/

Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 16:35
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Originally Posted by av8sean View Post
World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off

https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/

Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
Not sure how the flight crew is organized, but Forbes has this story on the Qantas test flight:

The World’s Longest Direct Flight Takes Off—Clocking In At Nearly 20 Hours

I'm not sure whether any of the guinea-pig employees are consigned to 20 hours in coach seats:

With the time-zone change clocking in at 15 hours between Sydney and New York, Qantas isn’t yet selling tickets for this direct flight.Instead, 40 crew members will be embarking on the journey—departing JFK on Friday night and landing in Sydney on its Sunday morning—to assess behaviours such as how much they move around the cabin, what they eat and how much they sleep, before the airline aims to launch the flights commercially in 2022.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:28
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Originally Posted by av8sean View Post
World’s longest non-stop flight from US to Australia ready for take-off

https://www.rt.com/business/471228-w...n-stop-flight/

Curious how they crew this flight as well as PER-LHR. Do they use a 6 man crew? 7+7+6 hour shifts seems the most reasonable.
FOUR crew. 1 Capt, 1 FO & 2 SO's (cruise FO's).
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:38
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It sounds freakinn horrible. Would not do that as a pax in BC much less as crew.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:54
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Not similar

Singapore Airlines have 2 CPT and 2 FOs
SIN/EWR is 18.5 hours.
LHR to SYD is 21.5
It’s an extra 3 hours.
How far do you keep adding on 3 hours and saying that’s ok?
You could say that 24.5 hours flight time is only 3 hours more. 28.5 hours is only 3 more again. Poor argument.
Singapore Airlines flies a lot of short range flying also. Less than 5% of A350 flying is ULR, Qantas Sunrise is 100% ULR.
I know your a Qantas angel or management. It must really upset you that Sunrise must be approved by proper Science. Will also need AIPA approval. Operating one sector of a pattern with 20 people on board getting special catering on their one trip out of the office isn’t science. It’s a PR show.
A guy who you heard saying its not too bad or justifying that’s it’s ok because it’s only 3 hours more than what Singapore flies seems to be your only line that you keep repeating.
PR flights flying only One direct sector with 20 pax and special catering are not science. It’s channel 7 breakfast TV worthy. Nothing more.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 22:04
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There are only 50 people on board including crew. Media are reporting only 20.
Passengers and crew have special food and drinks catered on board and the passengers are restricted from drinking alcohol so the data shows them sleeping more. They are being put to sleep at optimum times and woken up accordingly. No babies or children are carried to make it realistic.
The Flight crew are only operating one of the direct sectors having deadheaded to JFK in business class two days prior.
Pilots selected by management. No crew will operate more than one single sector for the data.Only 3 flights are taking place prior to implementing.
It is also the shortest of all the sectors Qantas are proposing. The longest being Sydney direct to London.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 23:32
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher View Post
FOUR crew. 1 Capt, 1 FO & 2 SO's (cruise FO's).
Are you sure about that? Only 1 Cpt. doesn't make sense. Is he in command during the whole flight? I don't think he could do that.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 23:49
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One more reason for Australians never to fly with this Sydney - centric airline. The flights will have a considerable effect on the destination for inbound overseas investment at the expense of the other capital cities.

I go out of my way to avoid QF. Last three O/S flights to Europe were Etihad, Austrian and Emirates. Next year is Vietnam airlines. All business class.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 00:09
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As long as one other pilot is qualified APIC (Acting Pilot In Command) it’s fine. On all three pilot flights the Captain spends one third of the flight in the bunk.

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Old 19th Oct 2019, 00:50
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Are you sure about that? Only 1 Cpt. doesn't make sense. Is he in command during the whole flight? I don't think he could do that.
Not a “he”, Captain Lisa Norman is operating this flight.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:19
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Not a “he”, Captain Lisa Norman is operating this flight.
Not according to several news stories. She may be onboard as a 'patient'.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:28
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
One more reason for Australians never to fly with this Sydney - centric airline. The flights will have a considerable effect on the destination for inbound overseas investment at the expense of the other capital cities.

I go out of my way to avoid QF. Last three O/S flights to Europe were Etihad, Austrian and Emirates. Next year is Vietnam airlines. All business class.
With the number of aircraft been talked about there will be at least two flights a day from the east coast, guessing Sydney and Melbourne with the 380 thru Singapore getting dropped. I also wouldn’t buy a ticket on Qantas and agree whole heartedly with your sentiments.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:30
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"A point that many flyers don’t consider. If you fly infrequently then there is little to be concerned about in regards to radiation. However, if you’re a regular passenger on long-haul flights, and especially routes that fly over the poles then you will have greater exposure to cosmic ionizing radiation, simply by being closer to space."

Is that why pilots fly in lead-lined suits?
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:33
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Next year is Vietnam airlines. All business class.
Hopefully not on their 787; the hardest and tapering to the narrowest, Business seat I've sat in (Hanoi - LHR).
Service was reasonable though.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:36
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Definitely should be illegal. Where are the UNHCR when you need them.? If you subjected your pet to such cruelty you would rightly be prosecuted by the RSPCA.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 02:26
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing...ghts_21_and_22

11 years of 340 flying the route as the longest at the time. Correct only 18 hours, however surely some good date there.

Yes it was only J class for a long time, not that that effects the drivers, but certainly does the CC which no one has really spoken about on this new service. They will be working!!!

So the key is to get the crew compliment, rest and rest area right.

I am no angel, just a realist.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 02:31
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 03:25
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With all 35 pax in Business Class according to the loadsheet. Makes a mockery of the “research” already!
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