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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 06:13
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Traffic Spacing?

Sitting in the lounge at Changi watching aircraft land approximately every 1.5 minutes. Do we match or better that frequency in Australia?
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 07:43
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I've had plenty enough late landing clearances and ambitious expedite instructions to not care much about this one. Are you an airline pilot Sunny?

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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 08:14
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Changi mainly* use one runway for arrivals and one for departures whereas we normally don’t in Australia.

This would greatly help with numbers imo.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 09:32
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spektrum, Sunfish just wants you to know that he is sitting in a lounge in Changi. He also knows how to get the stats for the movements at any of Australia's airports.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 10:22
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1.5 minutes at say 130-140 knots is around 3- 3.5 nm separation. I believe we use 5nm in trail and no closing when handed off to the tower.

High speed taxi exits make a huge difference Sunfish.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 10:30
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Sunfish fishing again.

Youíre better than this sunfish. Enjoy your flight home.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 11:22
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Sunfish, didn't you know Australia has the 2nd best ATC in the world.......
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 12:26
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Sunfish just wants you to know that he is sitting in a lounge in Changi
None of the lounges at Changi have a view of the runways!
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 14:16
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Maybe he was in the departure lounge
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 14:49
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Singapore's CTR (TMA) doesn't have any GA traffic so it can be much more streamline than what we have at Australian airports. Furthermore, they stop turboprops from operating in to WSSS, so air traffic management and sequencing is much easier.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post


None of the lounges at Changi have a view of the runways!
The EK one does. But he couldn't afford those tickets
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 00:26
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Have a look at LGA, thatís how you move aircraft.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Sitting in the lounge at Changi watching aircraft land approximately every 1.5 minutes. Do we match or better that frequency in Australia?
Sunny,
Various UK airports are a better example of what is possible, and as one poster says ---- high speed exits, they make all the difference. He/she/X (just being gender neutral) is so right.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 04:57
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Plaza premium lounge has views of the running away...

Sat in the pool during a transit at the transit hotel watching de planes...

No idea on the capacity but don’t think it’s a world leader in movements. Check out Manila now that’s spacing...
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 05:55
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Sunny,
Various UK airports are a better example of what is possible, and as one poster says ---- high speed exits, they make all the difference. He/she/X (just being gender neutral) is so right.
Tootle pip!!
What wake turbulence standard do they have on short final? That is the difference....
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 06:41
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You haven't seen tight spacing until you've landed in SFO or LAX where you get a landing clearance with two other aircraft still ahead of you on final.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 06:47
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I counted 25 acft (well, their landing lights) stacked up on final at Atlanta. Two runways, so 13 or so on each.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 07:23
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Sunny, do yourself a favour, go to LA, uber it to The Proud Bird, $15. Apart from great food, excellent craft beer and a great atmosphere, grab a table outside and watch the arrivals at LAX. They have lighties overflying & a mix of aircraft types. Then you'll see spacing.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 09:48
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ View Post
You haven't seen tight spacing until you've landed in SFO or LAX where you get a landing clearance with two other aircraft still ahead of you on final.
#3 - cleared to land? Try ATL, ORD or DFW for both spacing and landing clearances.
Australia ATC procedures (not the ATCer's) - do not get me started!
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 11:28
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https://www.internationalairportrevi...wick-capacity/

Fifty five movements per hour on a single runway. Agreed no traffic mix of turbo-props and high speed exits as well.
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