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Old 30th Jun 2019, 03:37
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I would imagine this to be a more likely type of design for a starter craft. But as I said with detachable passenger pods that could also hold extra battery/power capacity. But certainly not piloted within.


https://newatlas.com/lift-aircraft-m...erience/57605/
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 05:33
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the batteries will last around 10-15 minutes per flight, and as soon as Hexa lands, ground staff can unclip them, switch them over with charged batteries, and prepare the aircraft for its next flight.
As the Hexa will be flying under the powered ultralight classification (meaning it requires no certification or pilot's license), you'll be limited to flying under 700 feet, or 1200 feet in some locations, and not over any populated areas. Maximum speed for ultralights is 55 knots, or about 63 mph/101 km/h in terms of ground speed,
The aircraft should be fine for any pilot over 18, under around 250 lbs (113 kg) and shorter than around 6 foot 7 (200 cm).
I realise that this is an early version but even so. The above quotes are from the article. My bolding.

You must have missed the "regulatory free pass" Uber got over the taxi industry, and not just in Australia.
You are quite correct. It was amazing to watch them ignore the rules, initially. Now their drivers are encumbered by all the same rules as a taxi driver, transport category drivers licence, commercial registration for vehicle, passenger carrying insurance.

Uber were banned form London but then appealed and had a win. More to follow.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8418106.html
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 05:54
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an electric car can have a battery fail and pull up on the side of the road and call for help. An UBER drone/whatever can't safely pull up on the side of the road.

BIG difference.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 06:37
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Originally Posted by propnut View Post
an electric car can have a battery fail and pull up on the side of the road and call for help. An UBER drone/whatever can't safely pull up on the side of the road.

BIG difference.
Read my link- re battery fail.

Never seen an Uber with a commercial plate in Australia.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 06:50
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Read what I said.....commercial registration...

https://www.uber.com/en-AU/drive/mel...-requirements/
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 07:06
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Read what I said.....commercial registration...

https://www.uber.com/en-AU/drive/mel...-requirements/
I live in Australia not Victoria.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 07:14
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Dark Knight. Rather unfortunate allusion you make to the space program. There is a reason that we haven’t been back to the moon since then. The program consumed 5% of US GDP, was extremely dangerous, produced only minor scientific data even allowing for its uniqueness, had no lasting economic benefit and would never have happened without the Cold War competition with the USSR. It was a glorious irrelevance. Oh, wait a minute.........
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Read what I said.....commercial registration...

https://www.uber.com/en-AU/drive/mel...-requirements/
I did have a quick read ---- I don't see anything like the requirements that apply to a taxi or it's driver.
"Commercial" registration does not imply (at least in NSW) a visually identifying plate, (like a taxi plate) only that you pay the extra registration charge.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
You would need to change the way you are thinking.

Firstly it will not be something you buy - that is important to understand.
Secondly you would not park it in your garage - it would likely collect you at a zone (maybe corner blocks).
Thirdly it will be very primitive and restrictive in the early years - somewhat like the Commodore 32 or 64 was.
Also it would not be like the current transport systems we have but part of a single network - there would be no CAsA or RTA's.

* Note, I do not think the example you listed above is the Jetson Zipper of the future. I would expect that you would actually enter a quick release pod than an actual flying machine. I also do not see Australia having the political will for some time, for such required changes.
Yep, I get that it's not something you're going to buy or park in your garage.

My comment still stands. No one is doing this now with the current technology. Why? Practicality and cost. Even if you strip out the regulatory cost I still don't see how these machines will make it affordable. I don't see how these will be practical, where will they operate from, can't see the neighbours being happy with the noise and down draft etc. That will mean having some form of drone port which means you will have to travel between there and your home significantly negating any benefits. So far no one has been able to explain how the machines will significantly reduce costs or overcome the practicality issues.

So far as there being no CASA etc. I think you've under estimated the influence the established players will have. They won't be happy seeing one part of the aviation industry having no or very little regulatory over sight while they have to comply.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:08
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"Commercial" registration does not imply (at least in NSW) a visually identifying plate, (like a taxi plate) only that you pay the extra registration charge
Thanks Leadsled but where did I even mention "the plate"? I said commercial registration.

We are pulling the wings off flys here anyway.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Thanks Leadsled but where did I even mention "the plate"? I said commercial registration.

We are pulling the wings off flys here anyway.
No actually we are re inventing the wheel.

I expect it will be a small country or a country like Norway that makes the first change.

Yes noise is an issue - but roads are real-estate, imagine needing one eighth of the current road area in a city like Sydney rather than needing on eighth more in 5 years.

That alone is thousands of houses/units that can be on current roads.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:49
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Folks,
Here's a bit of a tangential thought ---- until late 1960s, DCA had provision for Ornithopter (flapping wing aircraft) pilots licenses in ANO 40, ---- so who says "the authority" is without a bit of flexibility?? Even forward thinking?? ---- or is it backwards??
Tootle pip!!.

PS: Icarus, you should take particular note??
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 08:59
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imagine needing one eighth of the current road area in a city like Sydney rather than needing on eighth more in 5 years.
Imagine all those people that were in their cars now in the sky in "drones", say up to five seats. That is a lot of air traffic.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Imagine all those people that were in their cars now in the sky in "drones", say up to five seats. That is a lot of air traffic.
Yes $ billions and all 5 seats will be full mostly - not like the cars of today.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 11:33
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I agree with everything 27/09 said in his last post. Anyone care to make a bet that there will be an "Uber-style" airborne passenger transport (as being discussed here) in Australia in the next 5 years? I bet you a pint that there won't...
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 12:21
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight View Post
I agree with everything 27/09 said in his last post. Anyone care to make a bet that there will be an "Uber-style" airborne passenger transport (as being discussed here) in Australia in the next 5 years? I bet you a pint that there won't...
In Australia - ZERO chance.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
No actually we are re inventing the wheel.

I expect it will be a small country or a country like Norway that makes the first change.

Yes noise is an issue - but roads are real-estate, imagine needing one eighth of the current road area in a city like Sydney rather than needing on eighth more in 5 years.

That alone is thousands of houses/units that can be on current roads.
Your argument about reducing the real estate used by roads in a city like Sydney to an eighth of what it is now doesn't stack up, unless all terrestrial transport is removed.

Reducing the traffic to an eighth doesn't correspond to needing an eighth of the roading structure. Particularly in suburban areas, for example you need the same road for 500 cars an hour as you do for 50 cars an hour.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 05:23
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
and all 5 seats will be full mostly - not like the cars of today.
Why?...................
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 05:44
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And how will the produce be delivered to the supermarket? Uber semi-trailers? Fourteen thousand little drones, with one package each?

The whole thing is mental masturbation. never happen. Ever.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 10:32
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CASA's opposition will be neutered by its political masters, if it's convenient for them to do so.

Uber have form for this kind of thing, with what they did to the taxi industry and its regulatory regime.

A bit of lobbying here and some promises of "jobs and growth" there, combined a couple of substantial donations to political parties is all it takes.
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