Qantas to get A321 NEO
My money is on the 737 Max as they will be the cheapest option and everyone can keep on shoehorning themselves into a domestic aircraft for another 20+ years. Joyce is already winging about prices in that article so we all know what this is about and it's not passenger experience and comfort.
The A320/1 order is still too heavy for the Star, unless they push those deliveries out to early next decade. Japan does not want these.
Perhaps a A220 order with an associated change in dates for the above narrow-body order as part of the deal.
Cheap MAXs will be too hard to ignore.
Perhaps a A220 order with an associated change in dates for the above narrow-body order as part of the deal.
Cheap MAXs will be too hard to ignore.
I think with economies of scale and the ability to shift airframes between entities as required as per Jetstar and Network, coupled with the ULA cargo loading, reduced ground handling costs and crews being able to do the load calculations I think the 737 days in Qantas colours might unfortunately me numbered ( as a tear drops from my eye!)
I think the only real question will be does short haul mainline survive or does the domestic fleet become “link” with the associated flying done under an entity, leaving long haul the only mainline brand ??
I think the only real question will be does short haul mainline survive or does the domestic fleet become “link” with the associated flying done under an entity, leaving long haul the only mainline brand ??
Boeing won’t let the 737 vanish from the fleet. They will give them 50 for next to nothing if they need to.
MAX and NEO is end of life for this narrow body series, Boeing will want QF in its court for the next 20 years, so they can transition them over to whatever follows the MAX. Otherwise they will be in bed with Airbus forever and ever.
MAX and NEO is end of life for this narrow body series, Boeing will want QF in its court for the next 20 years, so they can transition them over to whatever follows the MAX. Otherwise they will be in bed with Airbus forever and ever.
The A320/1 order is still too heavy for the Star, unless they push those deliveries out to early next decade. Japan does not want these.
Perhaps a A220 order with an associated change in dates for the above narrow-body order as part of the deal.
Cheap MAXs will be too hard to ignore.
Perhaps a A220 order with an associated change in dates for the above narrow-body order as part of the deal.
Cheap MAXs will be too hard to ignore.
Whatever happens the most important thing is to not let QF make it a competition to bring down Pilot wages. If your flying a 100 seat jet with a Kangaroo on the tail you should be getting paid the same as every other 100 seat company. I think NJS is the leader for wages at the moment so that’s the target for Network F100 and Alliance E-Jets as a bare minimum.
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Don’t tell McGowan that China makes jets. He’ll be mandating them for WA FIFO
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My money is also on the Max.
The group wide economies of scale (regarding the bus) will be negated by Airbus being able to bend Qantas over the barrell with any fleet planning in the long distant future should all (but a few 787s) already be operated by that one manufacturer. Divide and conquer works beyond the pilot group.
Mostly however I say Max because surely they must be cheap which seems to be the priority in local fleet acquisition.
For that reason I also can't see A220s coming. Ever.
The group wide economies of scale (regarding the bus) will be negated by Airbus being able to bend Qantas over the barrell with any fleet planning in the long distant future should all (but a few 787s) already be operated by that one manufacturer. Divide and conquer works beyond the pilot group.
Mostly however I say Max because surely they must be cheap which seems to be the priority in local fleet acquisition.
For that reason I also can't see A220s coming. Ever.
I’m guessing MAX. The big factor before was workers comp payouts for baggage handlers. Isn’t that all outsourced now?
Also, the 73 fleet I spread out considerable from oldest to youngest. Thought it would with transition training being drip fed Nnew max’s…as opposed with a new set of 321’s.
As much as I’d prefer tray tables. 321’s are great on paper, though.
Also, the 73 fleet I spread out considerable from oldest to youngest. Thought it would with transition training being drip fed Nnew max’s…as opposed with a new set of 321’s.
As much as I’d prefer tray tables. 321’s are great on paper, though.
A220 listing price is 50% more than an E-195 for barely any extra capacity and a higher fuel burn, and Embraer have the advantage of a more mature airframe and plenty of existing types operating in Oz, including existing Alliance ones under the Qlink banner. Don’t really need to splash out all the bells and whistles for a regional jet.
A220 to Notwork?
Tell him he's dreamin
I guess if they sold the entire Dutch oven fleet they'd have enough for a deposit...... for 1 A220
Tell him he's dreamin
I guess if they sold the entire Dutch oven fleet they'd have enough for a deposit...... for 1 A220
I think with economies of scale and the ability to shift airframes between entities as required as per Jetstar and Network, coupled with the ULA cargo loading, reduced ground handling costs and crews being able to do the load calculations I think the 737 days in Qantas colours might unfortunately me numbered ( as a tear drops from my eye!)
I think the only real question will be does short haul mainline survive or does the domestic fleet become “link” with the associated flying done under an entity, leaving long haul the only mainline brand ??
I think the only real question will be does short haul mainline survive or does the domestic fleet become “link” with the associated flying done under an entity, leaving long haul the only mainline brand ??
I don't see that changing in Mainline either, even with the A320neo if it ends up becoming the aircraft of choice - the ULD capability will virtually eliminate injuries on the ramp and make for quicker turnarounds. As long as they don't do the egregiously DUMB Ansett act of paying to have the ULD systems removed.
I’m guessing MAX. The big factor before was workers comp payouts for baggage handlers. Isn’t that all outsourced now?
Also, the 73 fleet I spread out considerable from oldest to youngest. Thought it would with transition training being drip fed Nnew max’s…as opposed with a new set of 321’s.
As much as I’d prefer tray tables. 321’s are great on paper, though.
Also, the 73 fleet I spread out considerable from oldest to youngest. Thought it would with transition training being drip fed Nnew max’s…as opposed with a new set of 321’s.
As much as I’d prefer tray tables. 321’s are great on paper, though.
Isn't the issue with the ULD system that you need expensive ground equipment everywhere to make it work? It also makes diversions a bit more complicated. As opposed to just throwing a few bags down a conveyor belt.
Any argument about cost of the equipment is irrelevant these days because there are now many more suppliers on the market and prices are a fraction of what FMC charges (FMC is the better machine but it 3-4 times the cost).
As for diversions, we used to have them occasionally many years ago, on one occasion a QF 743 and a 762 went into CBR - they just sent the pax on TN to SYD and MEL without their bags and flew them down the next day on the aeroplane(s).
Because of JQ, most ports have scissor lift equipment now anyway so I think the diversion point is moot.
Exactly the argument AN used and then proceeded to spend millions over the next 20 years on injuries and compensation, with which they could have bought more loading machines than they ever needed.
Someone should write a book on all the stupid short term self serving decisions made by airline management. It would be quite interesting.
Let me guess, the cost of the ground equipment affected someones budget and therefore their bonus but they could pay workers comp forever without impunity.
Someone should write a book on all the stupid short term self serving decisions made by airline management. It would be quite interesting.
Someone should write a book on all the stupid short term self serving decisions made by airline management. It would be quite interesting.