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mess at SYD today due to winds

Old 23rd Nov 2018, 06:22
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London Gatwick is a single runway airport. It can handle 55 movements an hour. Does Sydney achieve anything like that when 25 is in use? I do note however that there were a handful of departures this morning from 34L.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 06:58
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One QF A380 took off to the North this arvo but that's all I saw that way b/w 1pm and 3.30pm. Some QF Thursday pm SYD-MEL pax now looking at Sat afternoon and Sun morning departures. (this SLF included). Rumour has it that VA is as late as Monday. Most SYD customer service staff seem shattered .... a hard couple of days and not over yet.
KAL 380 was told to taxi to A6 and slotted in at #10 for departures. Was a good 20mins before they were given clearance for take-off from 34L.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 07:32
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London Gatwick is a single runway airport. It can handle 55 movements an hour. Does Sydney achieve anything like that when 25 is in use?
No because we know better in Australia. In their defence not many turboprops at Gatwick but even so they know how to move aeroplanes.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 08:02
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Surely badgerys creek will solve all of these problems...

(runs for cover!!!)
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Glorified Dus Briver View Post
KAL 380 was told to taxi to A6 and slotted in at #10 for departures. Was a good 20mins before they were given clearance for take-off from 34L.
yep just because you require 34L doesnít mean you jump the queue. Think I was doing Tower when they left. Pretty sure number 10 was just an estimate (guess) but 1 departure slot between each arrival means a departure every 2 min so 20min wait sounds about right.

Id say we do at least 50 an hour on 25 only which is not bad for no rapid exits.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 22:31
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I saw a 747 land at Albion Park a while back, so we should probably send some internationals there when Sydney gets too busy. Iím sure someone from Port Kembla could drive over and deal with customs and quarantine, and the HARS people could lend their stairs and help with the bags. Why arenít we doing this already?
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
London Gatwick is a single runway airport. It can handle 55 movements an hour. Does Sydney achieve anything like that when 25 is in use? I do note however that there were a handful of departures this morning from 34L.
Yes Ken Sydney does achieve low 50's movement rates when single runway operations is nominated. As you say there are a handful of 34L departures and these complicate things and result in a LOWER overall movement rate (as these aircraft need to cross RWY 25 on their taxi for DEP and then again on their DEP, and as these aircraft are HEAVY or SUPER then then is likely to be a further wake turbulence delay for the next RWY 25 DEP).
Comparing LGW and SYD is rather unfair as LGW has RET and terminals away from the runway and LGW have a more routine and regular flow of traffic. That is, LGW regularly do 55 per hour whereas SYD typically will do up to 45 arrivals on 34 parallels leading into a single runway, so there are a backlog of DEP (the arrivals that have already landed). SYD starts behind the 8-ball and then struggles through. Simple maths really.
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 18:57
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Ah, but if they had a CIRCULAR runway, all the problems would be fixed! Well, according to the website, anyway...
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 21:45
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My 'nearest and dearest' gets back this afternoon having been cancelled four times over four days, all on a full-fare ticket. (I am currently tidying up the house). No fault of the Airline but proof if any is needed that SYD is 'broken'.

Badgerys Creek needs to have two parallel Runways North and South and two Runways East and West. All need to be at least 10,000ft long with high speed exits., All Runways should then have have Cat3 ILS and a five mile exclusion zone free of development and no curfew. I have a feeling all we will achieve is moving the current problem further West as the whole Country is 'broken'. India has better Airports than we do.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 01:57
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Originally Posted by By George View Post
My 'nearest and dearest' gets back this afternoon having been cancelled four times over four days, all on a full-fare ticket. (I am currently tidying up the house). No fault of the Airline but proof if any is needed that SYD is 'broken'.

Badgerys Creek needs to have two parallel Runways North and South and two Runways East and West. All need to be at least 10,000ft long with high speed exits., All Runways should then have have Cat3 ILS and a five mile exclusion zone free of development and no curfew. I have a feeling all we will achieve is moving the current problem further West as the whole Country is 'broken'. India has better Airports than we do.
But what can be done? No self-serving politician would ever dare to mess with Sydney airport as it would be political suicide. Why is everything in Sydney so difficult..

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Old 25th Nov 2018, 03:01
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But what can be done? No self-serving politician would ever dare to mess with Sydney airport as it would be political suicide. Why is everything in Sydney so difficult..

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Speaking from the East Island I'd say it isn't just Sydney or Australia, although you guys seem to do it better than most. I'd say it is an Antipodean disease that means we can't think ahead and we tend to plan for what is now, not what is to come.

Auckland Airport is a great example at playing catch-up therefore they never will unless they meet a traffic slowdown whilst they are frantically building for traffic that they perceive is increasing.

With regard to single runway operation I have just retired from 7 years in a reservations unit and I've never seen so much RWY 25 usage as there has been recently. I admit that I was tempted once to tell a caller that was complaining about the mess that it was Aussie shortsightedness that is causing the disruption.

One wonders if the increase in strong westerlies is part of strange trends in worldwide weather - I hesitate to call it climate change.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 04:02
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My 'nearest and dearest' gets back this afternoon having been cancelled four times over four days, all on a full-fare ticket
Save the fuss, go by bus (or train).
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 04:27
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I canít understand why the pilots wonít operate the aircraft to certified limits. Practice makes perfect and all that.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 04:34
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I canít understand why the pilots wonít operate the aircraft to certified limits. Practice makes perfect and all that.
You'll have to explain that one! What do you mean?
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 05:31
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If he is referring to crosswind limit it is actually ATC limiting the runways not pilots. 10 years ago if you had a 30+ knot westerly you could tell ATC you could accept 34/16 for arrival and they would slot people in and it increased the flow. Then someone in Airservices decided to stop the practice and forced everyone onto 25 eventhough people were requesting 34/16 and happy to take the crosswind. An explanation was given on PPRuNe at some stage but I dont recall what it was.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 05:48
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
Speaking from the East Island I'd say it isn't just Sydney or Australia, although you guys seem to do it better than most. I'd say it is an Antipodean disease that means we can't think ahead and we tend to plan for what is now, not what is to come.

Auckland Airport is a great example at playing catch-up therefore they never will unless they meet a traffic slowdown whilst they are frantically building for traffic that they perceive is increasing.

With regard to single runway operation I have just retired from 7 years in a reservations unit and I've never seen so much RWY 25 usage as there has been recently. I admit that I was tempted once to tell a caller that was complaining about the mess that it was Aussie shortsightedness that is causing the disruption.

One wonders if the increase in strong westerlies is part of strange trends in worldwide weather - I hesitate to call it climate change.
Where is runway 25 in AKL ?????
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 06:36
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Sydney Airport is a piece of cr#p. Thats all you need to know. Fifty years of political incompetence and corruption,bureaucratic stupidity and short-sightedness. A national embarrassment . And its not getting better anytime soon. Days like the other day make me thank the deities that I am close to retirement. A disgrace.
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 11:19
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Why wonít Aussie ATC let me fly to my limits!!!! Oh the humanity!
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Old 25th Nov 2018, 11:35
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we tend to plan for what is now, not what is to come.
Not any more, they plan for the next doorstop at which the plan is dropped and another one announced.
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Old 26th Nov 2018, 00:44
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Nah, no issue with the wind mate, just divert to HMAS Nirimba.
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