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Old 30th Oct 2018, 01:02
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Looking after pilots is nice in theory, but our profession is plagued by misnomers and a consummate lack of understanding or respect for what we can and do bring to the operation (thanks Bob ya [email protected]). Management simply cannot bring themselves to break the anti pilot attitude and until then they will continue to see the steady outflow of pilots. In the case of Cobham I think they are so far off the back of the drag curve they will have to descend to recover.....management, don't bother trying to understand that analogy, it's a pilot thing!
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 01:45
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Post 89 attitude of confrontation relations , new age HR attitude , latestes MBA theories , accountants who know cost of everything and managers who know only one way . Irish CEOís !


Why no experienced Pilots ?
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 09:20
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Originally Posted by ITCZ View Post
[rolleyes]

Maybe you are an exceptional individual. By all means, give it a try.

I simply think it is easier to get a better job working for nicer people, elsewhere!

;-)
Thanks for the reply mate, i was genuinely interested as to why you think its harder to transfer so you will have to explain why the extra "rollseyes" was necessary?

Thanks very unfortunate for the Bae146 FO to be knocked back for the transfer between business units, however i have seem 6 people in the last year move over to the 717's, so again, why is it difficult for this to happen? I was hoping you actually had some knowledge of the process not just something you have herd from someone you maybe know.

I do agree, there are better opportunities with other companies, hence why i did make the move. However, the job was pretty amazing.
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Old 16th Nov 2018, 20:35
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Hi, can anyone share some info on the various bases offered for the 717 - positives/ negatives etc rosters/ days off/ nights away & lifestyle generally as a FO. For those involved, sorry to hear about the Darwin base. PM if you like. Cheers.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 15:36
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Hi all, has anyone got any info (they're willing to share) regarding Cobham's recruitment for the Dash? I've heard through the grapevine that crewing shortages *may* be impacting operations - this is after all a rumour forum.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 00:21
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Most of the dash drivers i know are maxing out their hours each month
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
Hi, can anyone share some info on the various bases offered for the 717 - positives/ negatives etc rosters/ days off/ nights away & lifestyle generally as a FO. For those involved, sorry to hear about the Darwin base. PM if you like. Cheers.
The 717 endo is not a lot of use in the market place. It is marginally above 50T- good. Some will tell you it is just like the 777 because of a few panel similarities-so what. A handful of airframes worldwide-bad. ANY move will require another full endorsement.

Hangout for an A320 (100% endorsed on A318-19-20-21, 90% of A330/340, 80% of A350/380) or B737 (same same) gig otherwise make sure you can do a runner when opportunity knocks. They are a contract company that hangs by the contract thread.

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Old 13th Jan 2019, 11:19
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Hard Sell

I've been told the Dash guys are completely maxed out on hours although they are offering a decent contract for Captains that works out at 3 weeks on 3 weeks off! Seems too good to be true. Nothing for F/O's though.

717 is a different beast. Qantas owned and they dictate what will happen. A lot of old timers that need to retire but the new eba will keep them there.

A new CEO just came in but still in training. Not very positive in the stock market and any loss of contract could see everything go.

I applied 2 years ago and didn't hear anything back. Hopefully things have changed! I was offered another position soon after applying so no grudges to hold but do know some guys there.

Hope this helps!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 18:19
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Originally Posted by Trigger Happy View Post
Hi, can anyone share some info on the various bases offered for the 717 - positives/ negatives etc rosters/ days off/ nights away & lifestyle generally as a FO. For those involved, sorry to hear about the Darwin base. PM if you like. Cheers.
Bases are Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Cairns, Hobart and Perth.
Brisbane is unlikely for a new start. The rosters vary depending on base, as do overnights.
Lifestyle is probably better than Qf definitely better than Jetstar and Tiger. Quite a few guys back from O/S are enjoying the aircraft and lifestyle. Money is OK. It is a contract section of the company so who knows how long the contract is going to continue? I think 26 years to date.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 23:51
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]It is a contract section of the company so who knows how long the contract is going to continue?
Just like all the other "sections" of the company. Each one is a contract company with varying levels of future stability. That is what Cobham is, a contract based charter company.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 01:41
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Just like all the other "sections" of the company. Each one is a contract company with varying levels of future stability. That is what Cobham is, a contract based charter company.
https://www.cobham.com/
Really
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 09:52
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Really. In Australia, which is what we are talking about.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 08:36
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Can anyone tell me about the 146 East Coast job? Is it all night freight and typically where do you travel to? What's the morale and T&C's like?
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 09:33
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The 146 in BNE does BNE-SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE every Mon-Thu night.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by RENURPP View Post
Cobham is a company an incorporated body.
In the Australian context is is simply a contract company providing crew to Qantas.
The aircraft belong to Qantas, but the crew do not.
The tickets are endorsed as such, rather like they were with Jetconnect.
Or Comair and British Airways.

Outsourced.



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Old 17th Mar 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by HappyBandit View Post
Can anyone tell me about the 146 East Coast job? Is it all night freight and typically where do you travel to? What's the morale and T&C's like?
Brisbane base, with its one duty four nights a week, has three or four crews (itís fluid and Iím out of touch), you do the math!

On the other hand, the freight flying exists solely because the 146 is allowed into Sydney during curfew. The curfew act explicitly states that this dispensation finishes when Badgerys Creek opens. By all means have a crack at it, but you might be better off in Adelaide where they do a bit of mining charter as well the freight. You may even get to fly a Dash 8 400!
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
Cobham is a company an incorporated body.
In the Australian context is is simply a contract company providing crew to Qantas.
The aircraft belong to Qantas, but the crew do not.
The tickets are endorsed as such, rather like they were with Jetconnect.
Or Comair and British Airways.

Outsourced.
the Australian part includes the border force dash 8ís not owned crewed or associated with Qantas.
Search and Rescue Challengers, not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas
the charter side with BAe 146, Dash 8 400ís, E190 which are not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas, (with the exception of a couple of freighters which are contracted to STARTRACK)
the PNG (while not strictly an Australian operation) it does operate into and managed from Australia and is not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas , however in isolation the B717ís are as you indicate.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 23:45
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Originally Posted by RENURPP View Post

the Australian part includes the border force dash 8ís not owned crewed or associated with Qantas.
Search and Rescue Challengers, not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas
the charter side with BAe 146, Dash 8 400ís, E190 which are not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas, (with the exception of a couple of freighters which are contracted to STARTRACK)
the PNG (while not strictly an Australian operation) it does operate into and managed from Australia and is not owned, crewed or associated with Qantas , however in isolation the B717ís are as you indicate.
Thank you for the clarification, it did require expansion.
The Cobham 'company' is a large defence contractor, a PLC company in the UK.
From memory James Strong's wife was heavily involved in the Seymour days of National Jet systems the precursor to Cobham Aviation Services in Australia.



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Old 18th Mar 2019, 06:27
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You memory does not serve you well.

It was in fact Guy Lloyd of Lloyd Aviations wife who was involved in NJS early operation. Guy Lloyd was a silent partner in the business when he passed. Adel Lloyd inherited his business.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A View Post
You may even get to fly a Dash 8 400!

Unlikely out of ADL. The Q400 is intended to replace the capacity of the gravel-kitted 146-100/-200s/RJ85s (approx 70-80 seats), and are based at PER. The ADL contract requires the -300/RJ100 with higher capacity, which can't be replaced by a Q400.
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