United mayday into YSSY 4thOct
Are you honestly suggesting an experienced airline captain for a major world airline would deliberately declare a mayday to avoid some traffic delays just because they want to "jump the queue"?
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The elephant in the room
ATC holding in Sydney is appalling, and compounded by very inefficient systems. Movements per hour are well below first world standards, if, for example, you were to impose the same operating procedures onto LAX, of LHR air traffic would grind to a standstill.
It would seem appropriate that Australian ATC be dragged into the 21st century.
It would seem appropriate that Australian ATC be dragged into the 21st century.
Remembering, of course, that despite having 2 runways, there is a movements/hour cap! Can't upset the locals, must keep the noise away from the PMs' electorate. And then on top of that, Sydney's special procedures - like all the STARs end in vectors!
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ATC holding in Sydney is appalling, and compounded by very inefficient systems. Movements per hour are well below first world standards, if, for example, you were to impose the same operating procedures onto LAX, of LHR air traffic would grind to a standstill.
It would seem appropriate that Australian ATC be dragged into the 21st century.
It would seem appropriate that Australian ATC be dragged into the 21st century.
ATC works to the rules that are imposed from on high. Same as always.
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New PM’s electorate in now based in Cronulla, so aircraft noise shouldn’t be as bigger problem.
Movements per hour are also way down on par in all Australian ports, so the whole system needs looking at. To hold air traffic in HP’s for extended periods of time because of poorly designed systems seems morally wrong. The amount of money wasted in unnecessary fuel being burnt, not to mention the extra greenhouse gasses being generated, someone should tell the greenies.
Movements per hour are also way down on par in all Australian ports, so the whole system needs looking at. To hold air traffic in HP’s for extended periods of time because of poorly designed systems seems morally wrong. The amount of money wasted in unnecessary fuel being burnt, not to mention the extra greenhouse gasses being generated, someone should tell the greenies.
Think you will find a lot of the internationals (including VH tailed aeroplanes) don't carry traffic holding fuel - notamed or otherwise - they carry an alternate and have policies in place to deal with the traffic holding if it eventuates.
But my experience is that you can fly around the world, including north and south America, Europe and Russia and the first time you will get seriously dicked around is 250 nm of your Australian destination airport.
But my experience is that you can fly around the world, including north and south America, Europe and Russia and the first time you will get seriously dicked around is 250 nm of your Australian destination airport.
Due to a sigmet MEL was no longer viable as an alternate, they proceeded to SYD without their filed alternate with enough fuel for MEL.
They declined ATC offers for closer airports(eg YWLM) and direct tracking.
They declined ATC offers for closer airports(eg YWLM) and direct tracking.
They do, it is perfectly acceptable to use your contingency fuel to count for traffic holding. No requirement to carry traffic holding fuel ontop of normal contingency.
Many 'Moons Ago', a certain US airline used to be 'OPS Controlled' from USA by the Company.
We (SY FSC at the time) used to receive AFTN traffic from the Company for said aircraft advising the Captain to continue to SY, or divert to BN (Didn't happen very often) or whatever.....
Does this system still apply to some..?
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We (SY FSC at the time) used to receive AFTN traffic from the Company for said aircraft advising the Captain to continue to SY, or divert to BN (Didn't happen very often) or whatever.....
Does this system still apply to some..?
Cheers
Nothing to do with the PMs electorate, these caps were legislated in about 1997, as an election promise.
However, politics does intrude, hands up those who remember Punchville and Breretown (Leon Punch and Laurie Brereton, LABOR MPs,) over whose electorates flights were avoided like the poison, unlike Liberal electorates NW of Sydney, where low, slow and noisy was ( and often still is) the order of the day, and complaints ignored.
Recently, again due to noise politics, the "80 per hour" is now longer an "average", but a maximum, making the problem even more inflexible.
You can justifiably blame Airservices for most of the infuriating Sydney "procedures", but not the movement cap.
Back in the day, we worked bleeding hard to have the "promise" treated as "aspirational", but a Minister could not be moved from his election commitment.
Later, we tried bleeding hard to have the Regionals exempted from the cap (they don't even register above the minimum threshold at the noise monitor points) but failed.
Given the runway configuration, and traffic mix, except in strong westerlies, YSSY can sustain about 135 movements per hour.
Tootle pip!!
But my experience is that you can fly around the world, including north and south America, Europe and Russia and the first time you will get seriously dicked around is 250 nm of your Australian destination airport.
Perhaps when people are in grave and imminent danger?
The irony of the 30 minute fuel remaining ‘deemed emergency’ is that it presumes the pilot is not competent to make his or her own decision about when the aircraft is in grave and imminent danger, but is competent to calculate that there is only 30 minutes of fuel remaining.
The irony of the 30 minute fuel remaining ‘deemed emergency’ is that it presumes the pilot is not competent to make his or her own decision about when the aircraft is in grave and imminent danger, but is competent to calculate that there is only 30 minutes of fuel remaining.
You need to ask your brother more questions LB. The final fuel reserve is on the OFP . Using our onboard inflight perf app it's a conservative amount . The FMC also gives you a pretty good idea . No guess work required . It's very user friendly .
it's good to see the handling of low fuel situations is now pretty standard throughout most of the world .
it's good to see the handling of low fuel situations is now pretty standard throughout most of the world .
Only half a speed-brake
Certain popular A/C type has a minimum fuel limitation of 1500 kgs for TKOF. Providing a positive margin to prevent the pumps getting uncovered.
The normal FRSV is 1100 kgs. Indicated.
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Use all the smartness to land above FRSV. If that does not work, you can still do the right thing: Fold and ask for help. Even egos stay intact.
The normal FRSV is 1100 kgs. Indicated.
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Use all the smartness to land above FRSV. If that does not work, you can still do the right thing: Fold and ask for help. Even egos stay intact.
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New PM’s electorate in now based in Cronulla, so aircraft noise shouldn’t be as bigger problem.
Movements per hour are also way down on par in all Australian ports, so the whole system needs looking at. To hold air traffic in HP’s for extended periods of time because of poorly designed systems seems morally wrong. The amount of money wasted in unnecessary fuel being burnt, not to mention the extra greenhouse gasses being generated, someone should tell the greenies.
Movements per hour are also way down on par in all Australian ports, so the whole system needs looking at. To hold air traffic in HP’s for extended periods of time because of poorly designed systems seems morally wrong. The amount of money wasted in unnecessary fuel being burnt, not to mention the extra greenhouse gasses being generated, someone should tell the greenies.
to make best speed to join the approach. Often used to happen, seems nothing has changed much.