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Old 27th Sep 2018, 21:42
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Malindo Magic

Did anyone else yesterday morning hear tower questions Malindo on departure out of MEL?

Departing rwy 34 like everyone else, but just decided ‘’nuts to the SID, let’s just turn hard left as soon as airborne”.

Had the scanner up and heard tower ask them “where are you going?”, followed by absolute silence.
Finally a response, we are going to Indonesia. When asked why did they turn left instead of continuing straight, they explained that they were tracking for ATNOL. Correct SID, wrong runway.
You could hear the absolute shock in the voice of Mr Tower.

Insane considering there could have easily been traffic on downwind for 34 at the time they blasted through it..

This is why I tell my loved ones to pick again when choosing a carrier to Bali..
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 21:48
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Notice a non standard call from tower creeping in “ clear to line up , confirm SID “ maybe not in Australia ( yet) Good time to thank Mr TCAS .
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 22:59
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They are a ticking timebomb. There isn’t much more to say.

Satefy appears irrelevant to our regulator. One other loco has broken enough rules in my book for a permanent ban from flying here, and even after the downing on one jet and a dozen odd stuff ups, it appears it’s all just politics getting in the way of safety.
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Sired by Lion?
​​​​​​​Shows its breeding
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 00:58
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To the guys and girls who fly the 737 on here, how many chances would have these guys had to identify their mistake leading up to applying thrust? How would the departure even look on the flight display? 90 degree turn at rotation?
All movements were on 34 due to the strong northerlys, so how they planned a 27 departure is puzzling.

The scariest part was their lack of understanding or corrective action even after quizzed by ATC as to what they were up to and why they had turned. Maybe they were doing a return duty and were highly fatigued (if that’s even possible?) - how else could one explain the complete lack of awareness?

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Safety appears irrelevant to our regulator. One other loco has broken enough rules in my book for a permanent ban from flying here, and even after the downing on one jet and a dozen odd stuff ups, it appears it’s all just politics getting in the way of safety.
Couldn't agree more. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. It's random error with them as well. Poorly handled OEI one day, descent below MSA another and wrong data input causing a left turn into the path of the parallel runway the next.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 03:42
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So are the Australian pilot unions writing to the regulator?

Is the ATSB expressing concern?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 06:42
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
So are the Australian pilot unions writing to the regulator?

Is the ATSB expressing concern?
I have written countless personal letters citing examples and my own personal ‘experiences’ on the line with certain third world operators. I have got workshopped answers to all letters. I have spoken/written to senior members of the industry being regulatory, political, operational, legal and so on. All responses claim investigations have taken place, heightened checks are underway.

My conclusion is a banning or termination of certain a foreign operators license is purely because the government does not want these countries offside. Trade deals are ahead of lives and our safety.

They are a danger to themselves, but more a danger to other pilots in our airspace. I want them out. Nobody seems to care.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 06:51
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A thorough briefing on the gate no doubt. Tracks, legs, distances all cross checked. This followed by FO judiciously looking around the cockpit during taxi to pick up anything missed.

You could imagine how things would go if they had weather and a non normal.

Sounds more like a bunch of teenagers flying flightsim over a couple of beers.

Just imagine what goes on that we don’t know about. Anyway I just hope they remembered to say climb via SID to 6000.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 07:22
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Having spent 3 years as a TRI at a Part 142 training organization training Indonesian ATP licensed pilots, nothing surprises me....well, sometimes they do something that is so mind boggling that I am surprised...including just take hands off the flight controls and leave the outcome to Allah...many I've seen would not pass a PPL flight test in Australia.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 10:17
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
Having spent 3 years as a TRI at a Part 142 training organization training Indonesian ATP licensed pilots
Is that Helicopters or Fixed Wing gulliBell?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 12:06
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There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.

I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
Is that Helicopters or Fixed Wing gulliBell?
It's cultural. Applies equally to both.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:22
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They are Malaysian not Indonesian
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Originally Posted by 1a sound asleep View Post
They are Malaysian not Indonesian
I've trained both...on average one is streets ahead of the other...
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:50
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Originally Posted by linedriva View Post
There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.

I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.

An unemotional look at the event and a suggestion of how to stop it happening again . You're not Australian are you?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 20:20
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Originally Posted by linedriva View Post
There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.

I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
Is there really a need for that on the Boeing 737-800?
When the runway is entered into the FMC, the SID will show the appropriate legs for a departure off that runway.
If you subsequently have a runway change, once you enter the new runway, the legs on the SID change accordingly.
Of course, if you haven’t bothered changing the runway in the FMC, well that’s an entirely different story!
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 22:15
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Saftey......Blah blah blah. If one of these carriers torpedoes someone in the circuit, the Government will just cry a whole lot of crocodile tears and accept a heartfelt apology from the leader of the offending nation and it will be business as usual.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 22:48
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Malindo is Malaysian but part of the Indonesian Lionair group. There is also a Thai Lionair, same group but different AOC.

Tokyo, Narita airport clears the aircraft to the initial SID waypoint on departure when simultaneous parallel operations are in progress. Given the number of errors taking place, especially with a last minute runway change, it might be worth making it a standard practice.
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