MEL Tower — Go Slow?

[morno]

I never said it was a good idea, I was simply pointing something out. Just ensuring the blame doesn’t get thrown on the ATC’s fault when they’re just following the rules.

Want change? Go lobby CASA

[flightfocus]

I never said it was a good idea, I was simply pointing something out. Just ensuring the blame doesn’t get thrown on the ATC’s fault when they’re just following the rules.

Want change? Go lobby CASA

Agree 100% !!!

I know the Australian ATC's are doing a great job given the circumstances. There is a lot if pride within their ranks and they maintain high professional standards. There should be no blame apportioned individual controllers. In fact almost all ATC's I know like the challenge of being busy and the satisfaction of moving the traffic as efficiently as possible. It's a win win situation - the less time the spend talking to you, vectoring you or holding you then the better for them (less work) and the better for you (more efficient)

I think an earlier post was very perceptive when they observed that the Australian ATC system is busy, but not busy enough to really challenge the established practices and procedures. Combine that with absurd political interference (ie: YSSY noise sharing farce) and you have a system that is treading water at best. YSSY is a classic example of an airport that will be increasingly constrained into the future based on the artificial movement cap and the noise sharing circus. Don't see the fabled Creek helping - its already a mess and it isn't even built yet.

The problem as I see it now is that the people in charge don't have any valuable experience beyond climbing the greasy pole. Recent appointments show what a closed shop it is and how the same old faces with the same narrow views and experience move between provider, regulator and safety inspector. Cushy semi government positions with little accountability beyond the occasional Senate show and tell sessions where they have to say sorry once in a while. The lines are too blurred, and the flotsam and jetsam rising from the worker bee's are had picked to join management as they don't rock the boat, nor bring confronting views or ideas. Pats on the backs all round.

The ideas about flow control from entering the Australian FIR are fanciful - maybe ahead of their time for now at best. All of the examples I cited in the above post were airports and providers developing procedures to enhance capacity and better utilise the airspace that is available. Airspace close to the airport. It doesn't matter how long you 'flow' them for. You still have to land one at a time on the same piece of tarmac.You have to get them closer together on final and get them off the RWY faster. Frequently this requires investment in upgraded facilities such as RWY's and TWY's. When you move from an airport with one or none rapid exit TWYS, to one with multiple RETS you instantly see the efficiencies that can be gained by that single change. Its not rocket surgery!!!

But instead Australian airport operators are only interested in fleecing any person who dares enter their shopping lairs or car parking goals to boost 'shareholder returns' for the mum and dad investors - oh and the outrageous executive bonus's that have become normalised in Australian corporate circles.

[maggot]

I believe I've read that conditional clearances require more supervision from a controller due to rules, thus more manpower, thus a privatised provider means that they don't happen so.much? At least in Melbourne it seems.
Which is a shame as they're much better from a pilot and efficiency pov

[RAC/OPS]

Originally Posted by maggot

I believe I've read that conditional clearances require more supervision from a controller due to rules, thus more manpower, thus a privatised provider means that they don't happen so.much? At least in Melbourne it seems.
Which is a shame as they're much better from a pilot and efficiency pov

Not true, at least it isn’t in Australia unless some units have specific instructions. As another poster has said, CASA or someone’s deemed that conditional clearances and stopbars don’t mix. Not sure why.