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Old 8th Mar 2018, 13:25
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The A320 was flown down from Seletar to PER on a JQ flight number.

For years Alliance and National Jet have been flying aircraft for Qantas and Qantaslink.

Network flight operated by Jetstar ?
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 20:20
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Why didn’t they just get Jetstar to operate these flights? Could a LCC not bid for the contract? Surely they have a lower cost base resulting in a higher margin.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by Sykes
In fact, EXACTLY THE SAME.

That is, Just like Eastern/Sunstate pilots who earned considerably more than their JQNZ colleagues, the Jetstar A320 pilots will earn considerably more than the Network pilots.

Nice one
And in alot of cases in breach of their own eba conditions as they wanted to help the company out to get the operation started in NZ
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 05:55
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Why didn’t they just get Jetstar to operate these flights? Could a LCC not bid for the contract?
I would be willing to bet that the Network cost base is lower than Jetstar's. The Network A320 Captain rate is definitely lower.

There is more to this of course, look ahead to a Network base in Perth with 80-90% A320 aircraft and think about what they could do from there.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 06:00
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I do however understand the frustration
demonstrated in some of the correspondence AIPA has received. I ask
for your patience as AIPA works through its industrial and legal
contingencies.
As emailed to me today, the Jetconnect move was mooted nearly a year ago, and the Network move was mentioned even on Pprune for a few months...



Sir Humphrey would be proud
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 06:52
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Originally Posted by Rated De
As emailed to me today, the Jetconnect move was mooted nearly a year ago, and the Network move was mentioned even on Pprune for a few months...



Sir Humphrey would be proud
What would you have done if you were AIPA president a few months ago? Looking forward to your detailed plan.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 21:04
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What would you have done if you were AIPA president a few months ago? Looking forward to your detailed plan.
I'm pretty confident they wouldn't discuss it with a millennial HR drone who possibly doesn't understand yet why aircraft need wings to fly.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 09:53
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Originally Posted by Rated De
As emailed to me today, the Jetconnect move was mooted nearly a year ago, and the Network move was mentioned even on Pprune for a few months...
You keep talking as if AIPA was caught napping.

They way I see it, nothing could be further from the truth.

Surely you can recognise that the potential and inclination for such moves has long been recognised by AIPA, and which was indeed the basis of the industrial action and lockout several years ago.

“Qantas Aircraft, Qantas Pilot”

That the action was ultimately unsuccesful in it’s main aim was unfortunately the result of other unions joining the bandwagon with unrealistic claims and damaging action, forcing the Company’s hand.

AIPA’s campaign, on the other hand, was well thought out, and strategically designed to address precisely these kind of moves by the Company.

Your insinuation that AIPA is napping is untrue and unhelpful. Especially from the other side of the planet.
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AIPA’s campaign, on the other hand, was well thought out, and strategically designed to address precisely these kind of moves by the Company.
And ultimately failed!
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 22:20
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Originally Posted by V-Jet
I'm pretty confident they wouldn't discuss it with a millennial HR drone who possibly doesn't understand yet why aircraft need wings to fly.
How convenient.

I actually asked a retrospective question - what would he have done differently? Not sure there’s any giant secrets involved in asking that. Let’s be honest - there is no magic plan that would’ve changed anything.
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Go on strike properly and stop pussy footing around?
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Go on strike properly and stop pussy footing around?
Yeah. That’ll work 🙄
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Since the Australian government has shown how pi$$ weak it is in standing up to corporate power the only logical industrial action left is to strike. Given that soft industrial action is met with such a over powering response by companies you might as well do it properly and shut down the airline and get the industrial upper hand rather than repeat the stupidity that occured last time around.

The pyschological barrier pilots have to get over is the fact that they actually care for the company more than the management. This was demonstrated in spades by the shutdown. The pilots took action which cost the company $0. The company's response cost millions

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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Since the Australian government has shown how pi$$ weak it is in standing up to corporate power the only logical industrial action left is to strike. Given that soft industrial action is met with such a over powering response by companies you might as well do it properly and shut down the airline and get the industrial upper hand rather than repeat the stupidity that occured last time around.

The pyschological barrier pilots have to get over is the fact that they actually care for the company more than the management. This was demonstrated in spades by the shutdown. The pilots took action which cost the company $0. The company's response cost millions
What’s the point of going on strike? All that’ll happen is 1. You’ll lose money 2. The company will lose money 3. You’ll end up in FWC and get an arbitrated deal that’s no better than what you could’ve negotiated.

If you think grounding the airline is going to give you the upper hand then I hope you aren’t running industrial strategy for pilots 😬

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Originally Posted by Justin. Beaver
What’s the post of going on strike? .
Sloppy trolling, must pay more attention to detail...
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 03:47
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Originally Posted by Justin. Beaver
What’s the point of going on strike? All that’ll happen is 1. You’ll lose money 2. The company will lose money 3. You’ll end up in FWC and get an arbitrated deal that’s no better than what you could’ve negotiated.
You're right. Perhaps pilots should wear ties and make PAs and let the airline ground the airline. That way the pilots lose no money, the company loses circa $200 million, and we end up in the FWC with an arbitrated deal that was probably better than what we were prepared to negotiate.

Oh, wait....
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 03:49
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You’ll end up in FWC and get an arbitrated deal that’s no better than what you could’ve negotiated.
If you think grounding the airline is going to give you the upper hand then I hope you aren’t running industrial strategy for pilots
All of that is completely unknown. That is a problem from the management side and they lose control of the outcome.

I would suggest that a real threat of a real strike with angry pilots would probably put some pressure on senior management especially if it was coming into bonus season.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 03:51
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Sloppy trolling, must pay more attention to detail...

Justin was a little groggy after lunch in the cafeteria. It’s difficult to remain alert in your cubicle on a Monday.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 03:59
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Originally Posted by Keg
You're right. Perhaps pilots should wear ties and make PAs and let the airline ground the airline. That way the pilots lose no money, the company loses circa $200 million, and we end up in the FWC with an arbitrated deal that was probably better than what we were prepared to negotiate.

Oh, wait....
That FWC arbitrated outcome could’ve been agreed to the whole time but the unions insisted on claims that were never going to be agreed to and never going to be given by FWC.

You need to understand how they think. And giving in to industrial pressure is not an option for them.
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Old 12th Mar 2018, 04:31
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And giving in to industrial pressure is not an option for them.
Well that's the party line anyway. Reality could be very different. I don't think we will ever find out the answer though.
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