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Perhaps not. Sadly it appears I’m not alone.
Since you added 2 paragraphs after my reply:
There is money to buy potential aircraft. They just won’t be bought until the industrial risks are at least better understood.
Since you added 2 paragraphs after my reply:
There is money to buy potential aircraft. They just won’t be bought until the industrial risks are at least better understood.
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The CEO pays himself $25 million, a record for any CEO in the country and multiples of any other airline CEO. Mr David $12 million
I'm not sticking up for the CEO, just trying to set the record.
Most leaders and thinkers welcome their ideas and interpretations of events being challenged.
Most seem so impressed with their own intelligence and business acumen that they scoff at doubters.
Remember the UK wunderkind brought out to run Tiger? Left with his tail between his legs.
This week the messiah brought in to run Myer was sacked...
The way I see it is the 787 option was cancelled and the acquisition process paused because there is a view that the union may be seeking to take the pilots down a pathway of industrial action and/or launching lawsuits. The evidence of this is the calling of a pilot meeting, to which the CEOs and others were invited. Such meetings don’t happen often as I understand it? Presumably such meetings only occur if the union is contemplating doing something about whatever concerns they have and no matter how disproportionate the concerns are in reality.
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
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There is money to buy potential aircraft. They just won’t be bought until the industrial risks are at least better understood.
Risk is present in two forms:
- Rising fuel prices
- Declining yield
Qantas 'worst major airline' for fuel efficiency on trans-Pacific flights, study suggests - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
with Qantas CASK (fuel included) orders of magnitude higher than competitors any decision to delay the taking up on options ordered by the Dixon regime, The present risk is entirely self imposed.
Going to the IR well again may in fact see this board exposed as the aviation lightweights they are. Then again they took a billion of brand value last time they trash talked the company and staff.
The rising tide lifts all boats. In case the analogy is a little cloudy, they looked good when fuel dropped.
Qantas need a new fleet.
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Ken,
When the share price tanked, the Board of Directors changed the STIP into a LTIP based on the current share price, the sole purpose of which was to ensure that the executives would be well remunerated.
I can’t believe the financial journalists can’t see through this kind of corruption and call it out for what it is.
But you know that, don’t you?
When the share price tanked, the Board of Directors changed the STIP into a LTIP based on the current share price, the sole purpose of which was to ensure that the executives would be well remunerated.
I can’t believe the financial journalists can’t see through this kind of corruption and call it out for what it is.
But you know that, don’t you?
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So by this logic, no new aircraft will be ordered until the next round of EBA’s is complete...Just in case maybe there is the “real or perceived “ chance of industrial action in concluding these EBA’s! Clearly this is nonsense, and they are using this “unrest” by the pilots as an excuse to commit to further purchases. Who knows why?
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The executives were signed up to the 'pay freeze'.
Any serious regulator would find it worthy of investigation but regulators are empty suits.
- The executives quietly slipped into the LTIP.
- The 'staff' lacking LTIP took the freeze
- The options were written at sub $1.00
- The vesting date just 'coincidentally' was after Mr Joyce miraculously indicated Qantas would again be 'transformed'
- Write down of CGU (long haul fleet) leads to paper loss
- Business recovers..
Any serious regulator would find it worthy of investigation but regulators are empty suits.
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I don’t know for sure but I think the calling of the SGM caused them concern about potential industrial unrest that might affect the business case of spending a billion on more 787s and they wanted some time to talk and assess the risk. If they are able to feel the risk is low enough, even with bargaining to come, then that hesitation would go away.
The would be better off spending time assessing the risk any further deferment of a fleet re-equipment may generate.
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The risk is the fleet is ancient and even S&P has recently said so, regardless of EBA’s Qantas needs new aircraft and pilots are in short supply, this will be a glorious victory for pilots whatever the outcome, go back to the campus kindergarten kid..
I don’t know for sure but I think the calling of the SGM caused them concern about potential industrial unrest that might affect the business case of spending a billion on more 787s and they wanted some time to talk and assess the risk. If they are able to feel the risk is low enough, even with bargaining to come, then that hesitation would go away.
But clearly you are spruiking the company line whatever your motive.
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Well really the risk should be very low shouldn’t it! They know there is very limited options available to AIPA right now. They Cannot direct any industrial action as it would be unlawful. That leaves going to FWA, if they are so confident of their actions then they would have nothing to fear. So it actually has nothing to do with AIPA calling a meeting to discuss and inform their members of the situation.
But clearly you are spruiking the company line whatever your motive.
But clearly you are spruiking the company line whatever your motive.
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I don’t know for sure but I think the calling of the SGM caused them concern about potential industrial unrest that might affect the business case of spending a billion on more 787s and they wanted some time to talk and assess the risk. If they are able to feel the risk is low enough, even with bargaining to come, then that hesitation would go away.
Qantas Cancels Aircraft Order Because AIPA Calls Meeting.
Can you give AIPA a call? They must be pretty proud of such an achievement!
Must get AIPA to put on some more beers next Sunday, because I’d really like that day off. Surely Qantas will cancel all flying that day...
I think they were unsure why the SGM was being called and had concerns that it might possibly be about planning PIA or legal action of some sort that might affect the arrival and or operation of more 787s. In other words there was a lot of uncertainty from their perspective and they like certainty. If they can get enough understanding and certainty as to why the rare SGM was called and what AIPA will do next then they might have the certainty they need. Hopefully there can be a clear and constructive dialogue.
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That would have to be the most hilarious post I have ever read!
Qantas Cancels Aircraft Order Because AIPA Calls Meeting.
Can you give AIPA a call? They must be pretty proud of such an achievement!
Must get AIPA to put on some more beers next Sunday, because I’d really like that day off. Surely Qantas will cancel all flying that day...
Qantas Cancels Aircraft Order Because AIPA Calls Meeting.
Can you give AIPA a call? They must be pretty proud of such an achievement!
Must get AIPA to put on some more beers next Sunday, because I’d really like that day off. Surely Qantas will cancel all flying that day...
taken up but there are still plenty of options available once they have the certainty they need.
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I think they were unsure why the SGM was being called and had concerns that it might possibly be about planning PIA or legal action of some sort that might affect the arrival and or operation of more 787s.
The above is just a slur on the whole Qantas pilot groups professionalism. Disgraceful.
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Agree totally with OnceBitten.
I would put the decades of conservative industrial Bona Fides of AIPA up against that which has been displayed by the ticket clipping , Jonny come lately ,morally bankrupt , sociopathic excuses for managerial dross that Qantas presently parades around , any day.
I would put the decades of conservative industrial Bona Fides of AIPA up against that which has been displayed by the ticket clipping , Jonny come lately ,morally bankrupt , sociopathic excuses for managerial dross that Qantas presently parades around , any day.
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If Qantas didn’t take this particular option, they never intended to.
Dressing it up as an industrial reaction is, at best, insulting. It also demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of their workforce.
From what I’ve heard, even managers who are normally, let’s say, kool-aid drinkers, are embarrassed by this feeble attempt at industrial coercion.
Please keep posting, Justin, it’s very entertaining...
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The reason we started these forum threads about, cancelling ME flying and re-routing through Singapore, Pilot shortage, New fleets et al was that through some high level connections there were suggestions that something was in the wind.
Initially this was dismissed as bravado, to our mind(s) we thought they would not be stupid enough to manufacture another 'decline', blame a legacy cost base, greedy staff when they proudly proclaimed a 'transformation' of an airline shortly before claimed 'terminal'...
The first signs of Jetconnect, followed by Network and then the 457 visa over Christmas hiatus, suggests we were wrong.
What is brewing from the people that locked you out after grounding you is a case of wash, rinse and repeat.
Staff will be blamed for no new aircraft, no growth whatever they have in mind.
In the court of public opinion this is high risk:
With little in the way of real ideas, devoid of any real effective strategy, another 'management induced crisis' may be all this lot are capable of.
As we stated many times previously, Adversarial IR knows no other way.
Their cockiness is likely a result that there exists little sea room for the unions who were completely blindsided by these announcements to move.
What isn't modeled and calculated is the quiet individual, they plan and actively look for enraged individuals. It is as we stated a very dark art. What they cannot counter is seemingly compliant individuals who use the statute to cover themselves correctly. Every pilot in the Qantas group ought now realise nothing changed, If that dark empire of Oldmeadow left, it is only the sign on the door that changed. The union cannot provide direction or retaliate.; they are likely risk averse. Not seeing the 457 visa issue arising is a serious lapse or vigilance. Any effective action will be mounted individually.
As hammers to them (in IR) every problem is a nail!
Initially this was dismissed as bravado, to our mind(s) we thought they would not be stupid enough to manufacture another 'decline', blame a legacy cost base, greedy staff when they proudly proclaimed a 'transformation' of an airline shortly before claimed 'terminal'...
The first signs of Jetconnect, followed by Network and then the 457 visa over Christmas hiatus, suggests we were wrong.
What is brewing from the people that locked you out after grounding you is a case of wash, rinse and repeat.
Staff will be blamed for no new aircraft, no growth whatever they have in mind.
In the court of public opinion this is high risk:
- The traveling public have not forgotten 2011
- The staff have not.
- Mr Joyce is marginal as a 'public face of restraint' with his remuneration and public comments about things including corporate taxation.
- The corporate double speak is not really believed anymore than 'banks serve the community' Corporate largess and greed have seen growing disparity in most western economies.
- The political body will not wade into another fight.
With little in the way of real ideas, devoid of any real effective strategy, another 'management induced crisis' may be all this lot are capable of.
As we stated many times previously, Adversarial IR knows no other way.
Their cockiness is likely a result that there exists little sea room for the unions who were completely blindsided by these announcements to move.
What isn't modeled and calculated is the quiet individual, they plan and actively look for enraged individuals. It is as we stated a very dark art. What they cannot counter is seemingly compliant individuals who use the statute to cover themselves correctly. Every pilot in the Qantas group ought now realise nothing changed, If that dark empire of Oldmeadow left, it is only the sign on the door that changed. The union cannot provide direction or retaliate.; they are likely risk averse. Not seeing the 457 visa issue arising is a serious lapse or vigilance. Any effective action will be mounted individually.
As hammers to them (in IR) every problem is a nail!