Airnorth Cancellng Flights

[206greaser]

Pilotchute, huh? It was ridicule from the outset.
Their ROSO is ridiculous! It costs them probably 3 times what they are asking for in return for the endo. My main point would be they need to fix their bloody EBA!
As it has been pointed out, unless the bond is in the EBA it’s unenforceable. An amendment in the way of a letter of offer isn’t enforceable.

Cheers,
Greaser.

[tfx]

Okay someone - what flight time do you need to be a 737 FO in Europe, and ditto in the USA?

[havick]

Originally Posted by tfx

Okay someone - what flight time do you need to be a 737 FO in Europe, and ditto in the USA?

In the US you need an ATP, carriers will hire you with ATP mins and do your ATP license test as part of the type rating prior to doing IOE. Europe, no idea.

[cessnapete]

tfx
In Europe many Legacy/Loco carriers are taking cadet pilots from the Training Colleges with a Twin Rating CPL/IR and ATP exams completed with total 250 ish hours.
They then complete a normal Company 737/A320 Type Rating and aircraft Base Training.. Extensive Route Training, in my UK airline at least 50 sectors u/t before being released as F/O on two crew ops..
BA and EasyJet in UK been doing this with complete safety for a number of years.
There is now no large ex Military or GA background in Europe to supply Capt Sullys as new copilots!!

[Stationair8]

Perhaps the CEO, will be bringing over a few a pilots from his last airline?

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by tfx

Okay someone - what flight time do you need to be a 737 FO ...in the USA?

tfx,

If you're asking as someone without a green card or US citizenship, I'm not aware of any US 737 operators taking E3s. Someone will correct that if I've overlooked anything.

A regional is your best bet if you want to head up here. Nothing wrong with ERJ/CRJ experience as a springboard to other things.

As for 737 FO spots, it ranges in the 1500-2500 hour area by my casual recollection. There's quite a range of quality to those jobs. Google knows everything so we don't have to.

[Dreamiator]

Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere

The majority of new CPL holders don't even leave the comfort of home on the east coast to go north and find entry level GA jobs (that are definitely there) but expect to send out resumes via email and walk into a job, and then complain that they can't find work.

Mate I’ve been in Darwin since September last year, been to every operator multiple times with no luck! And I’ve got the standard CPL/MECIR 220 hrs and 10 hrs PIC on a 210. ATPL’s done too! Never expected to jump straight into a jet job but always expected to start from the bottom and work my way up but the fact is no one’s hiring without you knowing someone or having a LAME’s qualification or similar! This is how many pilots give up on their dreams and turn to other jobs/careers! At the end of the day we all need some form of income to support our families and eventually start to realise that it’s all just a pipe dream.

[pilotchute]

I have seen very competent people not get hired because they "didn't talk much" and people who had no business in an aircraft get a job because the "liked footy".

You can have the best CV, dress the smartest and have a great check ride but still miss out because someone else is more charismatic. Sad but true.

[romeocharlie]

Originally Posted by pilotchute

I have seen very competent people not get hired because they "didn't talk much" and people who had no business in an aircraft get a job because the "liked footy".

You can have the best CV, dress the smartest and have a great check ride but still miss out because someone else is more charismatic. Sad but true.

Probably true, but if the charismatic person wasn't dressed well, have a good check ride or have a legible CV to start with - they wouldn't have got the job either.

Insurance requirements may dictate how low a company can set their hourly requirements, but companies such as Air North will have to start paying more for premiums so they can lower their minimums and compete with other regional and international carriers - excluding the 'low hour' argument.

[The Green Goblin]

Dreamiator,

You’d be lucky to get a job in Darwin with those hours even when GA was pumping.

Darwin was second or third job territory. Used to need at least 1000 hours and some wet season experience back in the day.

Try your luck further west.

[206greaser]

My sentiments exactly Goblin. Weren’t Gumby’s just advertising for someone with those mins like last week? Other than that D-hole isn’t the right place with those hours even in a shortage.

[megan]

You’d be lucky to get a job in Darwin with those hours even when GA was pumping

You can be lucky. Back when it was pumping lad in his teens flew in on the 2330 commercial with $90 in his pocket, bare CPL, and had a job at 0830 the next morning, having walked the rounds with suit case in tow, on a 210 at an Aboriginal community. The exception maybe.

Then again there were two QF cadets who turned down the GA positions offered to them in Darwin as they wanted to remain in Sydney, not out in the sticks in hick town Darwin. Always wondered if QF retained them.

[nexttime]

A friend of mine met the minimum requirements for the E-Jet FO position. They were told their application wasn't competitive so they would not be considered.

Pilot shortage they say?

[Jeffory]

There is no shortage.

[Dreamiator]

Telfer86 Not sure why but it seems I don't have the PM feature active! I think you can email me if you view my profile! Cheers

[framer]

Used to need at least 1000 hours and some wet season experience back in the day.

That is true. Twenty years ago I waited until I ticked over 1000hours before daring to head to Darwin ( civilisation) and presenting myself for consideration. It worked though, I was out in a community with a 206 within about a month and on a Baron-58 a year later.
I would be looking for the least desirable place possible that has an air operation and camping out there for a couple of months. Not saying it’s right or easy, that’s just the way it was twenty years ago.

[krismiler]

Very true, with those hours I'd be looking at sight seeing flights, aboriginal community, dropping skydivers, station work or possibly instructing. Emphasise any other skills you have besides flying, an electrician or diesel mechanic could be useful on a cattle station. With 500 hours you are more competitive and 1000 you can be a bit more choosey.

The first two places I worked in Australia didn't even have traffic lights. Third job was absolute heaven being in Townsville after two years in the bush, now I could tell people where I worked without having to reference it from a main centre.

Never forget that attitude goes a LONG way when job hunting. It might be a low pay job in a poor location which you're only taking because nothing else is available, but you need to appear keen and happy to work there.

[Duck Pilot]

My advice is;

Short term pain will end up in long term gain if one is focused and open minded.

Getting out of ones comfort zone into the unknown and taking a few affordable risks worked for me, certainly paid dividends on a couple of occasions. Also had a couple of sackings along the way by two dodgy operators who are no longer around.

[206greaser]

Hey Duck getting sacked by Gator doesn’t count though right? 😂

[pilotchute]

Airnorth have placed an ad in Flight Global for pilots. Visa will be offered for suitable overseas applicants.

This I think proves they are looking for rated E170 crew as I know a couple of people who have applied recently well exceeding the mins who got a "sorry not competitive" response.

They are full of s**t.