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Old 16th Oct 2017, 08:49
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Actually, main problem seems to have just been with the reaction of the cabin crew.
Hey! Go easy on the 32kg princesses WingNut. If there's ever an evacuation all the pax need to do is follow them (& their duty free) out the door.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 23:12
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Stevieboy,
Whilst I agree with what you say overall, these are 2 different airlines.

AirAsia X who had the engine failure I understand are Malaysian.

AirAsia who is under the spotlight for this incident, is Indonesian.

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Old 16th Oct 2017, 23:58
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Sadly, if this trajectory continues (and there is no reason to think that it won’t) this airline and all of its subsidiaries will be responsible for another fatal incident.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 00:01
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This is truely crap journalism.
Any self respecting journo would have included a CGI video of what the aircraft crashing into a school/hospital/orphanage would look like.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 08:18
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It’s about time somebody at CASA got some big cahoonas and actually said, ‘until you resolve your maintenance issues, your flights to Australia are suspended’.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 09:46
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Hey! Go easy on the 32kg princesses WingNut
Any self respecting journo would have included a CGI video of what the aircraft crashing into a school/hospital/orphanage would look like.
Great contribution to the thread cane worm!

This Airline has buried one airplane in the Java Sea, had numerous runway over runs amongst its group airlines as well as other incidents and you want to dramatise the incident?

I think the facts are enough without you or the press embellishing the story.
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 21:45
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Kaboy,
I have done my fair share of contracts & secondments to SEA carriers to know that product/service delivery failure may very well occur when it's needed most.

If you care to re-read my post you may note that my comments were not directed to those involved but squarely at the perennially disappointing media services. You missed the point completely which is easily done it seems when outrage goes looking for a home.

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Old 18th Oct 2017, 05:29
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So what actually happened?
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 19:14
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Originally Posted by 777Nine View Post
Taken from the SMH:

"A technical problem caused the aircraft to plunge from 32,000 feet to 10,000 feet without warning"


I seriously can't believe that journalists are allowed to write this nonsense. Then again, it is Farifax media.
News are no different... remember they owned Channel 10 once and I well remember a bimbo journalist who knew nothing reporting on the scene (why would you need to go all the way out to an airport to stand in front of a Qantas aircraft to do the report???) and telling the audience that it had to turn back on a flight to Sydney because of "... a hydraulic fuel leak". I remember thinking at the time, gee, really, must be super eager to save money if they're using hydraulic fluid for fuel!!! Seriously, these people know nothing, report crap and never retract it.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 23:01
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If it was going down at only 2500 fpm then it didn't plummet enough. Surely the Bus can do better than that.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 23:06
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That’s barely a normal descent. 320kts with the rumblers out tonight was an easy 5,500ft/min
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 00:12
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Morno - A320 with Autopilot engaged only delivers half speed brake. To gain full , Autopilot Off. Autopilot is recommended and with unknown structural integrity it would appear on face value these fellas did ok. Bus can attain 5500fpm + if you get rid of the lot and pole it.

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Old 19th Oct 2017, 03:30
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Let's put the reported pax reaction into perspective!

Most of us here are either seasoned aviators or seasoned travellers, and have probably experiened an emergency descent. We know what happens and what to expect. The casual passenger has no idea, especially if there isn't any warning. So, if one is sitting in 65k in relative serenity when all hell apparently breaks loose with masks appearing and the aircraft dropping like a proverbial brick with attendant noise and shudder, why in hell wouldn't he or she be terrified?
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 03:46
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough View Post
Let's put the reported pax reaction into perspective!

Most of us here are either seasoned aviators or seasoned travellers, and have probably experiened an emergency descent. We know what happens and what to expect. The casual passenger has no idea, especially if there isn't any warning. So, if one is sitting in 65k in relative serenity when all hell apparently breaks loose with masks appearing and the aircraft dropping like a proverbial brick with attendant noise and shudder, why in hell wouldn't he or she be terrified?
Methinks that a passenger sitting in 65k on an A320 has more to worry about than this incident
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 03:58
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OK. Let’s seat him or her in 13E.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 04:38
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Originally Posted by myshoutcaptain View Post
Morno - A320 with Autopilot engaged only delivers half speed brake. To gain full , Autopilot Off. Autopilot is recommended and with unknown structural integrity it would appear on face value these fellas did ok. Bus can attain 5500fpm + if you get rid of the lot and pole it.
I know. I still had the A/P on and 320kts pegged when I got to it last night.

Anyway, only pointing out that 2,500fpm doesn't really seem like much of an emergency descent, unless there was some serious structural integrity issues, which doesn't appear to be the case. However, what's to say they didn't have a higher rate of descent anyway. I wouldn't rely solely on flight aware.

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Old 19th Oct 2017, 07:03
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Oddly enough Air Asia’s Wikipedia page doesn’t have an ‘incidents and accidents’ section. I must be mistaken about the 7 incidents in 20 months in Australia alone.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 15:27
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Originally Posted by Jeps View Post
Oddly enough Air Asia’s Wikipedia page doesn’t have an ‘incidents and accidents’ section. I must be mistaken about the 7 incidents in 20 months in Australia alone.
Simples. Add one and see if it disappears.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 12:12
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Add another, Plane malfunctions on landing, disrupts operations at Tacloban airport - The Manila Times Online

THE runway of the Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport in Tacloban City was briefly closed after an Airbus A320 of AirAsia flight Z2-321 from Manila stalled as it landed, the aviation regulator said on Friday. Passengers and crew are safe.

Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) said the incident occurred while the aircraft was about to turn toward the airport’s taxiway past 8 a.m.

The CAAP said the airport’s control tower received a call from the pilot saying that its plane nose wheel steering stopped working.

AirAsia management said that the airline ground crew rushed to the area and immediately transferred the 164 passengers and four crewmembers to safety.

According to CAAP spokesman Eric Apolonio, an arriving Cebu Pacific flight to Tacloban from Manila was unable to land on its scheduled flight while a departing flight of another Cebu Pacific plane had to wait until airport authorities cleared the disabled plane off the runway.

Airline officials claimed that the Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport lacked equipment such as a tow truck and other equipment needed to salvage the damaged aircraft.

The airport, in 2013, was ranked as the eighth-busiest airport by passenger volume out of the 45 commercial airports in the Philippines.

As of 11 a.m., AirAsia management announced that the plane was eventually towed from the runway and the airport resumed normal operations. BENJIE VERGARA
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 16:15
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Engineering costs money.
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